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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by LtWorf »

woodpanel wrote: post #115
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school What a lot of people learn from lunch rooms is not a happy social lesson. It’s who is allowed to sit where, and who is outcast from a table. It’s the shit teenagers lower on the social hierarchy have to take daily from teenagers who are higher, even if they are allowed to sit at the same table. High school is widely remembered as a brutal rite…

The point you're making is important and I can already see how many, once years out of school, are able to re-frame their memories into something that bullying wasn't so bad and it's actually a social good, etc. It's as if the return-to-office-policies bringing back bullying/sexual harrassement to one's work environment would be hailed as a chance to improve one's social skills. Ridiculous. I do think though that it'…

I don't think they're reframing. They weren't bullied or were the bullies themselves.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by dghlsakjg »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #110
chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

Sports gambling is astoundingly popular for teen boys. Already the prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading was getting to be too trendy for teenagers, and this shit just supercharges it.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by StarGrit »

rootusrootus wrote: post #42
amelius wrote: post #35

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Some people will slap a label like "liberal" on "using my smartphone whenever the hell I want". And then people will think that's how it should be.

An electronic version of coal rolling. "You can't tell me this is unhealthy, and I'm going to prove it!"

People "roll coal" it because it is kinda amusing to do it, and it is a middle finger towards people they perceive to be preachy.

I accidentally "rolled coal" in my 90s Landrover because I was in totally the wrong gear going up a steep hill. It was amusing in the way of "oh shit! I kinda just blew a load of black smoke in the driver face behind me".

Obviously, I don't do this deliberately.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by justinclift »

mrguyorama wrote: post #67
rc5150 wrote: post #57

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This is the same logic that has parents buying games like GTA for their prepubescent children and being dumbfounded that the kids are exposed to violent images. While we can definitely point the blame at tech companies that manipulate algorithms, engage in dark patterns, etc, it's ultimately up to the consumer to consume judiciously and moderate their own well being. Nobody ever asked Apple or Google to "deliver what…

America has an entire political party who runs a party line that unregulated businesses will naturally do what's "best" because of "free market mumble mumble". They even sometimes outright insist that "best" in that context means "best for humans and society", and that any attempt to constrain that will be Communism and cause all of society to collapse. >What's best for society is a collection of rational, intelligen…

> the higher fraud claim is just false and probably a lie, ask me how I know!

How do you know? :)

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by ryandrake »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #64
havblue wrote: post #51

I'm guessing that teachers never wanted smartphones in class in the first place and that this was just about pushing back against the helicopter parents.

Kids have phones for "safety" reasons. It's pretty irrational, but hard to push back against without help from on high.

The "Safety" excuse is bullshit. What safety problem could exist in a school that a child with a cell phone can solve? Fire? School administrators will call the fire department. Intruder? School administrators will call the police. School shooter? Same. There's nothing that a child with a cell phone will fix.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by catlover76 »

chis wrote: post #91

It's so insane that they let things go this far. It could have been immediately obvious to those involved that cell phones in class would have immensely negative effects. I mean they talk about a lunch room "quiet enough to hear a pin drop"?? I think I learned half my basic social skills from lunch rooms in school. That time period is probably more important than any of the classes themselves.

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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by lmm »

ryandrake wrote: post #127
squigz wrote: post #112

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Generally, once you leave high school, you have a lot more choice in when/where you are forced to interact with bullies.

The exception being work, where a lot of people seem like they never left high school. Everywhere I've worked had the social totem pole, the cliques, the politics, the in-crowd and out-crowds. One place I worked was almost exactly like the movie Mean Girls. Lots of people just don't grow out of it.

Worst case you can switch jobs. It's not easy, but it's a lot easier than switching schools.

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Post by ironSkillet »

squigz wrote: post #121
LtWorf wrote: post #119

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Also, bullying in school has no consequences, but outside it might have some.

Bullying in school absolutely has consequences, and they're mostly going to be much farther-reaching than those suffered as an adult - getting messed up psychologically is more impactful as a kid, not to mention any physical toll it takes, or the impact of it on one's education.

I think the user means that bullies in school face little consequences, but a bully at work may get called by HR and potentially disciplined.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by koolba »

LtWorf wrote: post #131
woodpanel wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point you're making is important and I can already see how many, once years out of school, are able to re-frame their memories into something that bullying wasn't so bad and it's actually a social good, etc. It's as if the return-to-office-policies bringing back bullying/sexual harrassement to one's work environment would be hailed as a chance to improve one's social skills. Ridiculous. I do think though that it'…

I don't think they're reframing. They weren't bullied or were the bullies themselves.

Or there simply weren’t any bullies.

Not everybody’s childhood played out like Lord of the Flies.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by crummy »

supportengineer wrote: post #126
array_key_first wrote: post #68

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Because social media sites like Facebook literally said they're going to make the world better, by connecting more people and empowering more ideas. It was all bullshit of course, but people did believe it, myself included. Just 15 years ago the outlook of social media was much more optimistic.

They could have gone down the path of being a service with a monthly subscription. Instead of making the customer become the product. Imagine an alternate universe where, since you were paying them, they kept you safe and secure online, and kept the bad actors away.

assuming they were able to acquire customers and dominate the world with that business model, would that have prevented them from doing algorithmic feeds and promoting clickbait and poisoning politics and the rest?

sure, people would have been able to cancel their monthly facebook subscriptions if they didn't like that stuff. but we can effectively do that now just by not using it.

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