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YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

Herring wrote: post #128
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #124

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Germany has never had much of a culture of free speech. The intelligence agencies in charge of monitoring extremists have long had their own problems with extremism. The former head of the agency for "Protection of the Constitution" ("Verfassungsschutz") himself turned out to be a xenophobic right-wing extremist.[0] They have wide authority to spy on citizens based purely on their political views. Unless you really,…

No system is perfect. Germany still has a bunch of work to do, sure, but I'd still very much prefer having a firewall to no firewall. Nazis in the US are entrenched - filibuster, gerrymandering, fptp, electoral college, supreme court, presidency, ICE, etc etc.

The "firewall" in Germany is mostly used to crack down on speech that the government dislikes, not to protect democracy in any way.

Nazis are just as entrenched in Germany as in the US, if not moreso.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by lern_too_spel »

boxed wrote: post #83
teddyh wrote: post #47

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Technically, “snuff” is usually defined as at least being made for entertainment (I say “usually”, since commonly other requirements are added as well). But beheading videos and the like are meant to scare their enemies , not to entertain weirdos on the internet. So these are not “snuff” videos.

I would think the "for entertainment" is in the eye of the beholder, and the production part is irrelevant. In either case, YouTube has never allowed this stuff.

These were documentaries made by nonprofits, not snuff films. As the article states, they were removed due to sanctions, not for violating YouTube policies.

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Post by woodpanel »

acdha wrote: post #110
econ wrote: post #99

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I don't know anything so I tried searching. This was th first result. https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/google-admi... Make of it what you will.

Google’s employees didn’t mention government pressure earlier and the company only started talking about that in conjunction with their PR plan to get favorable treatment from the current administration: https://www.wired.com/story/republicans-claim-biden-censored...

of course. of course. this is the only possible reason.

right.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by serf »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #57
teddyh wrote: post #50

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Amusingly, Linus Tech Tips has had many videos censored and removed by YouTube.

I think it’s pretty obvious when they’re gonna get removed. Almost certainly someone has a local mirror of that channel.

it is not at all obvious when some automated check somewhere will flag or remove a youtube video.

all YT videos are in danger of deletion. You can argue whether or not they're worthy of the merit of saving, but you cannot deny their risk for sudden removal.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

serf wrote: post #134
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s pretty obvious when they’re gonna get removed. Almost certainly someone has a local mirror of that channel.

it is not at all obvious when some automated check somewhere will flag or remove a youtube video. all YT videos are in danger of deletion. You can argue whether or not they're worthy of the merit of saving, but you cannot deny their risk for sudden removal.

Archive.org have stated they do not want to be a complete mirror of YouTube which is fair enough. Content creators could easily retain a local copy of files and upload them to archive.org in the even of removal, or an individual could retain local mirrors of channels to do the same thing. Archive.org are aware of the fact that things hosted on websites might disappear, I can’t speak for why YouTube is not a desirable thing to mirror but I assume the volume would be massive and the risks of potential copywrite / illegal / highly illegal content etc would be undesirable from a management perspective.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

thisislife2 wrote: post #125
AraceliHarker wrote: post #105

The deleted videos did, in fact, violate YouTube's rules, but it's questionable whether YouTube would have taken them down if they hadn't shown an Israeli soldier carrying out a lynching.

You are not spouting any fringe consipracy theory. Videos commenting on Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza ( see https://genocide.live/locations ) on TikTok played a huge role in publicising the genocide to the world. And it is also the primary reason why the western backers of Israel were so hell bent on acquiring TikTok - an IDF soldier, who is a "proud American Jew" and Zionist, already oversees "hate speech" and "…

Most of these were probably one-sided propaganda videos. Ironically these are mostly policies against "fake news" that were pushed by a political faction that now complains about censorship.

People that are mad about the death of their revolution, developed an inferiority complex, looked at propaganda on TikTok and are now disliking Jews. You can argue the position to be more sophisticated, but sometimes it is not and it wouldn't be the first time.

And of course there is ample and valid criticism of policies of Israel but I heavily doubt that these videos were informative. Granted, this is entirely based on some assumptions.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by boxed »

lysp wrote: post #113
boxed wrote: post #100

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The UN Genocide Convention defines it as: acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Reducing the population isn't required. Intent and acts are tested against the legal framework.

Israel could easily kill a hundred times as many people if they wanted to. Yet they don't.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by boxed »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #132
boxed wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think the "for entertainment" is in the eye of the beholder, and the production part is irrelevant. In either case, YouTube has never allowed this stuff.

These were documentaries made by nonprofits, not snuff films. As the article states, they were removed due to sanctions, not for violating YouTube policies.

> As the article states

Claims is the word I think.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by boxed »

thefringthing wrote: post #114
boxed wrote: post #100

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The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide does not require that perpetrators are successful in reducing the population of the targeted group, only that they "intend to destroy [it], in whole or in part" and take any of five specific categories of action with that intent.

Sorry, but that's super weak logic. That's like saying the KKK are perpetrating a genocide against blacks in the US right now. Or Hamas is perpetrating a genocide against the jews in Israel right now. At some point of failure to execute a plan, it no longer becomes a genocide.

There must be a difference between "genocide" and "attempted genocide" at the very least.

Re: YouTube erased more than 700 videos documenting Israeli human rights violations

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Post by teddyh »

fluoridation wrote: post #74
teddyh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, “snuff” is usually defined as at least being made for entertainment (I say “usually”, since commonly other requirements are added as well). But beheading videos and the like are meant to scare their enemies , not to entertain weirdos on the internet. So these are not “snuff” videos.

If you want to get technical, then >A film or video clip which involves a real non-acted murder. It seems like any video depicting a real murder would count as snuff. In any case, has YouTube ever allowed either kind?

I dispute that definition: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/a-pinch-of-snuff/>
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