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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by bragr »

drnick1 wrote: post #130
marcoalopez wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jupiter is excellent at what it is designed for. For example, my usual workflow is as follows: when I develop a tool or model, I do so in a plain Python file. I then import the file from the notebook to create figures, demonstrations, documentation and so on, resulting in an immediate document that my colleagues and I can easily use for discussion. It's as simple and effective as that. It is also a great tool for tea…

Any reason your colleagues can't run the original Python script? It seems like your workflow entails going back and forth between script and notebook or having to make changes in two places to keep both versions in sync. Then there is also the issue that notebooks are too complex to version-control effectively.

>make changes in two places to keep both versions in sync.

That's not how Python imports work. You can import in the notebook just like any other Python script.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by barrrrald »

knlb wrote: post #102
simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

The whole post feels like it was edited/modified by ChatGPT; `What we opened — in English, not a changelog`, `Why it matters (no fluff):`, `We are big believers in notebooks — full stop` are patterns that always make me feel like an LLM wrote it (sentence followed by a marketing qualifier). I really liked Deepnote the product when I last used it, but the post definitely feels off.

I don't think an LLM wrote it; this has been their brand voice for a long time...

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by 9029 »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #92
simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Simple explanation, they used AI as a voice for their writing instead of using it as a tool for writing in their own voice. LLMs are good to proofread, check your tone, generate ideas, etc. Letting them take over your connection with an audience or be a substitute for gut checks or taste is not helping anyone.

Seeing such pivotal announcement be poorly vetted slop doesn't really inspire confidence in the quality of their product.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by marcoalopez »

drnick1 wrote: post #130
marcoalopez wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jupiter is excellent at what it is designed for. For example, my usual workflow is as follows: when I develop a tool or model, I do so in a plain Python file. I then import the file from the notebook to create figures, demonstrations, documentation and so on, resulting in an immediate document that my colleagues and I can easily use for discussion. It's as simple and effective as that. It is also a great tool for tea…

Any reason your colleagues can't run the original Python script? It seems like your workflow entails going back and forth between script and notebook or having to make changes in two places to keep both versions in sync. Then there is also the issue that notebooks are too complex to version-control effectively.

Not all of my colleagues know how to code, but they do know how to interpret results, plots and so on (I'm in science, by the way). In my case, I am not interested in version controlling the notebook; it's just for quick prototyping and discussing ideas. I only need to version control the Python file. Also, colleagues who don't code (or dislike coding) can easily modify parameters in the notebook and obtain different results immediately with no additional effort.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by janalsncm »

> Across the Fortune 1000, job postings that mention and require Jupyter knowledge are down sharply

The obvious question is whether Jupyter is being replaced in those postings, whether those types of jobs are proportionally rarer, or whether the whole market is simply hiring less.

Jupyter is still best in class and I can think of a few other explanations for this stat.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by janalsncm »

swiftcoder wrote: post #53
kccqzy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But doesn't marimo force certain workflows that jupyter does not? For example its website states that "Notebooks are executed in a deterministic order, with no hidden state — delete a cell and marimo deletes its variables while updating affected cells." This appeals to people doing traditional software development work in notebooks, but it breaks workflows where people use notebooks as notebooks, where state is entir…

Anyone trying to reproduce the results in a shared notebook certainly hates that "feature"

Including the author themselves in the future sometimes.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by janalsncm »

mritchie712 wrote: post #40

> Teams need notebooks that are reactive, collaborative, and AI‑ready reactive: this matters, but all the alternatives have it collaborative: this matters very little in the Figma / Google Docs sense of collaborative in practice. It's very rare you want two people working on the same notebook at the same time. What you really want is git style version control. AI‑ready: you want something as close to plain python (wh…

I don’t even know what AI ready means. You can press tab to autocomplete? Databricks has that and it’s extremely annoying. Google Colab is slightly better.

But sending my code over the wire to an LLM along with a prompt that says “please don’t write any bugs” is not a new feature.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by ciupicri »

neves wrote: post #2

Instead of contributing to Jupyter, we will create another tools

Then they wouldn't be able to write this:

> If [you] look at the contributions graph, you’ll see low commit velocity and very few unique contributors, including multi‑month holidays with no commits.

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