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Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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With Three UK I used gathered evidence over the course of 4 months to wiggle myself out of a £46/month 28-month 5G contract (had to pay £200 remaining on my iPhone 16 Pro) when I demonstrated that my phone was basically useless whenever in the postcode are where I live, even if I always had 1 bar 5G signal. Not even phone calls would go through, let alone calls on Whatsapp et al, or loading websites using something h…

One thing you can do is get a femtocell[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtocell

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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I wonder if it’s more intuitive that way. Like what Apple does with stopwatch. https://lukashermann.dev/writing/why-the-iphone-timer-displa...

Heh, funny. I recently implemented a countdown for a teleprompting app and that's exactly what I ended up doing to make the countdown "feel right". The countdown in question doesn't display fractions of a second so it would immediately switch from "5 seconds left" to "4 seconds left" which just doesn't feel right. Adding 0.5s solved the issue.

To expand a bit on what others have said:

If you're counting up, round down. If you're counting down, round up. A human expects the count to finish at precisely the moment we get to the last number in the sequence (zero, for counting down). Do a count in your head to see what I mean.

Apple chose a compromise by rounding to nearest, for it to "feel good", but you lose the ability to exactly predict when the timer ends as a human. Typical Apple.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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If you use some app such as Network Survey (open source, Android), you can see that providers also lie about the type of connection. I'm on LTE now, but provider makes phone display 5G. And this is on non-provider phone, this is built in in the whatever communication they do with the phone, possibly works with every device.

Technically not lying if this is NSA (non-standalone) 5G. The 5G band just comes on as an additional aggregated band. The icon just shows up because the tower is capable of supplying the band.

Really the bigger problem is that there's not enough distinction between SA and NSA

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

#134

With Three UK I used gathered evidence over the course of 4 months to wiggle myself out of a £46/month 28-month 5G contract (had to pay £200 remaining on my iPhone 16 Pro) when I demonstrated that my phone was basically useless whenever in the postcode are where I live, even if I always had 1 bar 5G signal. Not even phone calls would go through, let alone calls on Whatsapp et al, or loading websites using something h…

I'm a former Three user in central London. When I started it was good, then they advertised cheap unlimited data contracts which overloaded their system and they became close to unusable. You'd order an Uber, go down to meet it and be stuck because there was zero data. It wasn't a signal strength thing - it was a system overload thing.

I'm now on O2 which works kind of normally and also have a silent link esim which is a good backup. They cost like £8, never expire and let you use any UK network you choose if one isn't working. Or almost any network globally for that matter.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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Humans are strange indeed. I work with cellular BDA-DAS[1] gear sometimes, and I don't recall the last time I looked at the signal strength display on my phone. It has probably been years. For me: It either works, or it doesn't work. It is either fast-enough, or impossibly-slow. It's very binary, and the bar graph at the top never told me a damned thing about what I should expect. [1]: Bi-Directional Amplifier, Distr…

HN is the only website that works on 1 bar. If HN doesn’t load then nothing loads.

SSH also works over crappy connections. It even works reliably when the network went down for minutes.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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Sure, but what was the seemingly plausible reason those sociopaths came up with to get people onboard?

If my boss asks me to do something, and I refuse, what do you imagine will happen? I will get fired for insubordination. It's pretty easy to get people onboard if their paycheck depends on it.

Or you give a note to the regulation authority and your boss gets fired instead.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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You know, I don't recall ever seeing 1 bar of signal strength on a smartphone. And once it's down to 2 bars, it barely works, if at all. Human brains: wow, what a bunch of suckers. Damn. By the way, is it legal to be deceptive in this way?

Rural - I see one bar quite often, and sometimes a call will barely hold on through zero bars (works best if I’m just listening).

But one bar is death for Internet - though HN will often load; anything heavier won’t.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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You know, I don't recall ever seeing 1 bar of signal strength on a smartphone. And once it's down to 2 bars, it barely works, if at all. Human brains: wow, what a bunch of suckers. Damn. By the way, is it legal to be deceptive in this way?

Try going into a Home Depot. I don't think I've ever found one where aside from fairly near the front I've had other than 0 or 1 bars, across a variety of phones and carriers and in neighborhoods where the signal outside the store was strong. The net is telling me this is because of the aisle after aisle of tall metal shelving and the building itself also has a lot of metal in the construction. It is quite annoying w…

At least Home Depot usually provides free WiFi. Until very recently our Costco was a faraday cage with no cell and no WiFi offered.

They finally added WiFi a year ago or so.

I hated having to walk near the doors to send a “was it this” question to the wife.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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IIRC this really took off with the antennagate fiasco on the iphone 4. I was working for Verizon at the time and this was also the first one we were able to sell. I forget who it was that did it but I believe it was Apple in response to people "holding their phone wrong" so they bumped everything up a bar so you couldn't tell. There was a lot of competition at the time but also all the androids had better margins so…

> but also all the androids had better margins That's not something I was expecting to hear

Part of Apple’s high margins is being able to bully retail into taking lower margins. And they sell direct, too.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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