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Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by shigawire »

ngruhn wrote: post #91
fortran77 wrote: post #67

I presume there will be protests at Columbia University?

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It's because the US clearly is the main supporter of Israel who is the Goliath in that conflict.

In Sudan the US is not clearly propping up one side.

People are reasonably more mad in the US about Gaza since their taxes directly fund it and the US seemingly could exert influence on Israel if there was political will.

It is not clear how the US would improve Sudan without wading into some massive peacekeeping / reconstruction mission - which no one has the appetite for.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by shigawire »

casey2 wrote: post #86
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Factors such as ethnicity or religion are never the reason for these conflicts Economics motivates. But these divisions dominate in determining magnitude. You don’t need genocide to control mines, farms and oil fields. (You need labour.) The dial turns from enslavement to extermination when there is deep-rooted fury. That sort of fury can really only be channeled on divisions of race and religion. (You need a way f…

So Arabs fly planes into the world trade center, commit mass genocide at darfur and are still support this dude and his band of thugs with their colonialist rape of Africa? The US could drop a nuke on UAE and tell them to stop funding colonialist expansion. The war against evil is never ending playing nice is a fools game.

You should not be posting here if you think that is a serious suggestion. Go play Civ or something

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by s5300 »

lazide wrote: post #122
casey2 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Arabs fly planes into the world trade center, commit mass genocide at darfur and are still support this dude and his band of thugs with their colonialist rape of Africa? The US could drop a nuke on UAE and tell them to stop funding colonialist expansion. The war against evil is never ending playing nice is a fools game.

You know if we nuked the UAE, everyone would just start funding the folks that make Hamas seem like the church social committee right?

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by fsckboy »

ideology plays little role in these conflicts, they are partially religio-ethnic but mostly about pure power, where religion and ethnicity are levers pulled to leverage power.

the people seeking power would sell out their own mothers if that's what it took.

the ideologies here are the ideologies of the HN commenters who try to fit the facts into their predetermined narratives.

and "visible from space" means absolutely nothing meaningful. can we read license plates from space or not yet? I don't know, but in this context, who cares

(way back in the 1980s a china-zealot was telling me that the Great Wall of China was "the only manmade thing visible from space." I had the presence of mind to say back, "isn't it more significant to be able to get to space to see what's visible?")

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by fortran77 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #95
fortran77 wrote: post #67

I presume there will be protests at Columbia University?

I take it that’s supposed to be funny. Most people have absolutely zero agency over what happens beyond their own city’s borders, proclaiming your views loudly in public is one of the very few ways you can influence society.

There’s nothing funny about the evil at Columbia University, subsidized by billion in taxpayer dollars.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by fortran77 »

parineum wrote: post #116
ricardobeat wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take it that’s supposed to be funny. Most people have absolutely zero agency over what happens beyond their own city’s borders, proclaiming your views loudly in public is one of the very few ways you can influence society.

Agree or disagree this post is clearly about which genocide they choose to protest.

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by culi »

lazide wrote: post #120
MMAesawy wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heatmap may as well represent a map of recently decolonized areas with unresolved political issues, and just so happens that many of these places have significant Muslim populations.

If you read the Koran and Hadiths, there are numerous statements about the true Muslims duty being to spread Islam - at the point of the sword being a well supported one, scripture wise. Abu Bakr [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr ] and even Mohammed himself [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhamma... ]. It has never been a particularly ‘turn the other cheek’ religion.

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by culi »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #118
pols45 wrote: post #88

Just enough funding to view suffering. No funding to end it.

What do you want to do? Send in troops from somewhere else to die too?

Well we are currently sending funding. Except that funding is going to further the conflict. Sudan's gold reserves are critical materials. The previous dictator, Omar al-Bashir, was propped up by foreign powers exactly because they allowed those countries to extract the gold reserves. The RSF is the same thing. they are the evolution of the Janjaweed militias that the ICC found to be committing genocide. The international community did nothing to stop them or hold them accountable so they are once again committing genocide. International players want this to continue. Russia was at some point funding both sides and sending in Wagner mercenaries. UAE has been funding the RSF since the very start and continues to be the largest importer of (illegal) gold. Israel benefits because the RSF is a major importer of its surveillance tech as well as weapons. Both Israel and the US fund the UAE despite knowing that the UAE is fueling the RSF because they both ultimately benefit. American and even Chinese weapons have been found on both sides (mostly through the UAE reselling weapons to the RSF). Even if the SAF wins, it'll just be another military junta whose top priority is to exploit the gold reserves to the benefit of whichever nation is funding it and NOT giving any of that wealth back to the people.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by culi »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #56
hulitu wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot US and UK.

Got evidence that they supplied weapons? GP’s Wikipedia article does not seem to say that they did (apart from an unclear reference to US military aid, which I don’t think refers to US military aid to Sudan specifically).

China never directly supplied weapons either. Yet its weapons have been found on both sides. The RSF got them through the UAE and the SAF got it through Iran.

If GGP is going to count China as a supplier it's only fair to count the US. Js. Fwiw, both China and the US place sanctions on the RSF and denounce it as a genocide. Neither directly does business with either side.

Russia is involved directly in the conflict however, literally sending in Wagner mercenaries. They used to back the RSF but in early 2024 switched sides and now fully back the SAF. The sad truth is that most major international players don't care about the Sudanese people. They just want to have the support of whichever side comes out on top so they can continue exploiting the gold reserves of the country like they did before the dictator Omar al-Bashir was overthrown by a popular revolution.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by bonsai_spool »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #79
bonsai_spool wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UK can’t blame Brexit on the Romans. You're reaching thousands of years ago and missing the much more significant event of the Norman conquest. And I would say that the Normans actually did influence Brexit to the extent that there's a confusion about continental vs. English identity that's only expanded over time. 1,000 years is no time at all, in the age of writing.

> I would say that the Normans actually did influence Brexit Influenced, yes. Can be blamed for, no, much less their descendants today (who aren’t British).

> Influenced, yes. Can be blamed for, no, much less their descendants today (who aren’t British).

I agree!

This is different than saying the British are responsible for many current day conflicts (e.g., India/Pakistan, Israel/Palestine) which is much less controversial.

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