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Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by chrsw »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #79

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. > Microsoft’s IP rights for both models and products are extended through 2032 and now includes models post-AGI, with appropriate safety guardrails. Does anyone really think we are close to AGI? I mean honestly?

I think their definition of AGI is just about how many human jobs can be replaced with their compute. No scientific or algorithmic breakthroughs needed, just spending and scaling dumb LLMs on massive compute.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by ZiiS »

qmmmur wrote: post #111
philipwhiuk wrote: post #79

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. > Microsoft’s IP rights for both models and products are extended through 2032 and now includes models post-AGI, with appropriate safety guardrails. Does anyone really think we are close to AGI? I mean honestly?

We don’t even have a general definition that anyone can agree on for AGI.

The real defination is that it will no longer matter what _we_ agree on.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #79

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. > Microsoft’s IP rights for both models and products are extended through 2032 and now includes models post-AGI, with appropriate safety guardrails. Does anyone really think we are close to AGI? I mean honestly?

Codex is telling me the tasks I am giving it are too complicated and a research project.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by marcosdumay »

fooqux wrote: post #90
conartist6 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. This sentence reached off the page and hit me in the face. It only just then became obvious to me that to them it's a question of when, in large part because of the MS deal. Their next big move in the chess game will be to "declare" AGI.

I think some of this is just the typical bluster of company press releases / earnings reports. Can't ever show weakness or the shareholders will leave. Can't ever show doubt or the stock price will drop. Nevertheless, I've been wondering of late. How will we know when AGI is accomplished? In the books or movies, it's always been handwaved or described in a way that made it seem like it was obvious to all. For example…

> How will we know when AGI is accomplished?

It's certainly not an specific thing that can be accomplished. AGI is a useful name for a badly defined concept, but any objective application of it (like in a contract) is just stupid things done by people that could barely be described as having the natural variety of GI.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by [deleted] »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #79

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. > Microsoft’s IP rights for both models and products are extended through 2032 and now includes models post-AGI, with appropriate safety guardrails. Does anyone really think we are close to AGI? I mean honestly?

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Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by vultour »

anonymous908213 wrote: post #8

> AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI Spare me. Sam has been talking about ChatGPT already being AGI for ages, meanwhile still peddling this duplicitous talk about how AGI is coming despite it apparently already being here. Can we act like grownups and treat this like a normal tool? No, no we cannot, for Sam is a hype merchant.

This entire house of cards is built on the expectation that "AGI" is just around the corner. The moment Altman relents in his grift is the moment the bubble pops and we're in for a wild ride.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by binderpol2 »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #79

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. > Microsoft’s IP rights for both models and products are extended through 2032 and now includes models post-AGI, with appropriate safety guardrails. Does anyone really think we are close to AGI? I mean honestly?

> Does anyone really think we are close to AGI?

AGI? we are not even close to AI, but that hasnt stopped every other tom dick and harry and my maid from claiming AI capability.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by noir_lord »

r0x0r007 wrote: post #62

I think they will reach AGI pretty soon, because only AGI can find a way to make them profitable.

I think they hope they will because if they don't at some point people are going to expect a return and get tired of throwing good money after bad.

The longer they go without that and the more the sentiment starts to shift away from what they convinced people LLM's where vs what they actually are the riskier it becomes, are they are useful tool yes, are they not what they've been hyping for the last four years, also yes.

They either crack it or they become an also ran.

At which point Microsoft investors are going to be staring really hard at the CEO.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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Post by dktp »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #79

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. > Microsoft’s IP rights for both models and products are extended through 2032 and now includes models post-AGI, with appropriate safety guardrails. Does anyone really think we are close to AGI? I mean honestly?

In the initial contract Microsoft would lose a lot of rights when OpenAI achieves AGI. The references to AGI in this post, to me, look like Microsoft protecting themselves from OpenAI declaring _something_ as AGI and as a result Microsoft losing the rights

I don't see the mentions in this post as anyone particularly believing we're close to AGI

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