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You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Elon was quite clear the he bought Twitter to make it a free speech forum where you could openly discuss things, even from non establishment standpoints. And that's what it's become.

Aww, that’s sweet. Only time I’ve been kicked off Twitter (permanently, no comebacks) was under Elon’s rule.

Do you want to share for what?

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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I've done a fair amount of data-intensive fact checking for journalism articles and have had fact checking done on my own data-intensive reporting. Couple things: 1. Fact checkers are not paid enough to do what they do. They're usually freelancers and they're usually financially struggling. The dynamics of that are difficult to say the least. 2. Editors change things last minute without informing the journalist whose…

> Once told an editor in-writing three times not to add something and he did it right before publishing.

This should be illegal.

If people were able to propose laws and vote on them directly, it would be, be a landslide.

The number of people who benefit from this is tiny compares to the number who are harmed. But it's nearly impossible to pass things like this because people vote for parties and are therefore several levers removed from influencing actual laws.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#133

10 years ago there was a famous article in the German Bild about the 10 craziest laws in America. Something like that it's illegal for woman to wear pants in some parts of Arizona etc. A lot of other big publications started to feature the same laws in their trivia sections until a journalist actually checked if they still exist. It turned out that none of the laws existed or were still enforced. It would have been s…

> were still enforced

This sounds like its doing a lot of heavy lifting.

A bunch of state abortion bans were no longer enforced until they were. If it's still on the books then it counts as a "crazy law"; if you don't want people to make fun of your state then repeal it.

> Law #2: it is illegal for women to wear pants in Tucson.

> This “law” is more of a half-truth than anything else. Over a century ago it was illegal for Tucson residents to appear in public wearing clothing “not of his or her sex.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20170615211918/https://www.phoen...

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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I once sat on a table nearby of the local investigative newsroom crew having a chat in a cafe. The vibe I got was so evil, I definitely wouldn't give them any of my money. In fact, I have given up on the concept of independent journalism, I just dont believe anymore it is happening. Knowing the onwership structure of the publishers in my country (and many others around me) also adds to the unwillingness to donate. Th…

> They are all inconservative hands > Journalists who said they were Republicans continued to drop from 18 percent in 2002 and 7.1 percent in 2013 to 3.4 percent in 2022. This figure is notably lower than the percentage of U.S. adults who identified with the Republican party (26 percent according to the poll mentioned earlier) in 2022. About half of all journalists (51.7 percent) said they were Independents, which is…

They were explicitly referring to their country, which is just as likely not to be the US, so citing US statistics without further comment or contextualization seems rude.

But it's beside the point anyway: They weren't referring to the political affiliation of the people working at the newspaper, they were referring to the leanings of the people who own the newspaper.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Yes but many of us also complain about the lack of quality journalism. We can’t encourage good (presumably) people leave the industry and also want the standard of reporting to improve

If the system is broken in way that disempowers the people who are good and apparently getting screwed over, it's kind of selfish to ask them to stick around and shoulder the burden to fix it for our own external benefit.

Eh, it's not entirely that simple. In the same way teachers are, some people are just compelled towards it because it's what feels "right" to them.

And, just, don't forget that a lot of the people who are "sticking around" went to j-school and now have a significant amount of debt. So leaving journalism isn't exactly the cleanest option for them.

Donate to your local investigative nonprofit.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Elon was quite clear the he bought Twitter to make it a free speech forum where you could openly discuss things, even from non establishment standpoints. And that's what it's become.

Has it? I’ve never actually engaged with twitter. I always thought it was an echo chamber. From the outside looking in though it seems like twitter is the same pre-Elon as post-Elon. The difference is just which views are the blessed ones.

I see people advocating all known political views. Pre Elon, any non progressive opinions were heavily weeded out by moderators.

Of course, most progressives have left now that they encounter opposing views (AKA "fascism"), so you could think of it as an echo chamber. But it's not forced to be one by the site.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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post #118

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I once sat on a table nearby of the local investigative newsroom crew having a chat in a cafe. The vibe I got was so evil, I definitely wouldn't give them any of my money. In fact, I have given up on the concept of independent journalism, I just dont believe anymore it is happening. Knowing the onwership structure of the publishers in my country (and many others around me) also adds to the unwillingness to donate. Th…

I think a lot of what you're seeing is people being people rather than journalists being journalists. Sometimes gallows humor is the only thing you can do for yourself while you're looking through brutal, terrifying reports of abuse for hours and hours.

It seems like you're suggesting I am not capable of putting things I overheard in context? Please don't. I am well aware of the difference between sarcasm and deliberate manipulation.

To keep things grounded, almost nobody bites the hand that feeds 'em. Whistleblowing or swimming against the stream, while being celebrated whenever it happens, is a very low minority in any profession. If your boss tells you where things are supposed to go, you might grind your teeth, and maybe bitch about it to your friends, but chances are high you will comply. Journalists are no different.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once sat on a table nearby of the local investigative newsroom crew having a chat in a cafe. The vibe I got was so evil, I definitely wouldn't give them any of my money. In fact, I have given up on the concept of independent journalism, I just dont believe anymore it is happening. Knowing the onwership structure of the publishers in my country (and many others around me) also adds to the unwillingness to donate. Th…

> They are all inconservative hands > Journalists who said they were Republicans continued to drop from 18 percent in 2002 and 7.1 percent in 2013 to 3.4 percent in 2022. This figure is notably lower than the percentage of U.S. adults who identified with the Republican party (26 percent according to the poll mentioned earlier) in 2022. About half of all journalists (51.7 percent) said they were Independents, which is…

I don't believe self-reported stats are worth anything in this context. Many conservatives have learnt to keep a low profile, since in many circles, right wing association has become a synonym for evil. Besides, I am not a U.S citizen, so your quoted stats are not relevant to my statement above them.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Getting grants is an alternative way and it's how freelancers are able to do reporting for cash-strapped newsrooms. Grants definitely have their own can of worms, though. Things like restrictive reporting requirements, do-not-do requirements, and the dynamics that just come from people giving other people relatively large sums of money.

Yeah, the problem with grants is that even with no strings attached there's still a subtle influence where a publication may not want to harm the interests of the source if that grant since they might not provide more funds in the future.

I don't know if it's possible to ever be completely free of outside influence. If anything, I think standards for publishing have become so low that any incentive model that helps keep a majority of facts straight should be the goal. The loss of traditional publishing gatekeepers has just generated a lot of noise and in that noise non-mainstream viewpoints have thrived.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of what you're seeing is people being people rather than journalists being journalists. Sometimes gallows humor is the only thing you can do for yourself while you're looking through brutal, terrifying reports of abuse for hours and hours.

It seems like you're suggesting I am not capable of putting things I overheard in context? Please don't. I am well aware of the difference between sarcasm and deliberate manipulation. To keep things grounded, almost nobody bites the hand that feeds 'em. Whistleblowing or swimming against the stream, while being celebrated whenever it happens, is a very low minority in any profession. If your boss tells you where thin…

Friend, I'm not suggesting that at all. I could, though: in no way did you describe any of what you considered to be bad from them. You left it conclusory in such a way that leaves the reader (me) to try to fill the gaps in what you mean. Your aggressive tone doesn't leave much room. And personally, I would never feel confident in being sure that I understand the context of a conversation that I'm not invited to.

Everything you described, like I've said about 10 times now, is economically rooted. Donate to your local investigative nonprofit.

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