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Post by hopelite »

_joel wrote: post #59
everdrive wrote: post #12

George Orwell really never could have imagined that people would flock to purchase or otherwise use the methods of their own surveillance. (smart phones, social media, smart cameras, modern cars, etc) I think it paints government surveillance policies in something of a different light. There is definitely a constituency which believes that the evil central government is pushing for surveillance in a purely unilateral…

> government surveillance policies are more popular then some folks in HN circles would suspect. "Ignorance is bliss"

That was a major, if not the core theme of 1984, and how the system could create and manage such a state.

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Post by 759282361082 »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5
touwer wrote: post #4

Big tech is nothing different from the German industrialists one hundred years ago

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

We should all learn from stalinists like you. Murdering 145 million people is quite the feat.

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Post by Aurornis »

shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

> When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house,

WiFi routers can’t tell you where people are in the house. The routers don’t even know their own location within the house.

All of those papers you see on the topic have extensive additional information being put into their models. The routers don’t magically know the layout of your house.

At most, a WiFi device could infer movement in a house if the RSSI of devices is fluctuating where it is normally stable.

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Post by culll_kuprey »

gosub100 wrote: post #35
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

It's the government that wants unchecked power, no matter what. This is why people support the 2A, and why it was the 2nd most important thing to those who founded the country.

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Post by coredog64 »

nick__m wrote: post #73
jappgar wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame on the idiots who place a webcam on their front doorstep too.

Someone tried to enter by the window next to my front porch door, it prompted me to install a video doorbell because the dude that frightened my wife only received a ticket because there was no proof he tried (and fail) to force open a window and did not enter the house. If I had a recording he would have spent the night at the station and it would have been a criminal offense instead of a civil one. Even if it only…

This. Local youths started playing ding-dong-ditch last summer. It was harmless when it was 8-9pm on a Friday or Saturday. They escalated to banging on windows, then to doing it at 1am, and finally to damaging our garage door to the point it won't open.

My wife is extremely upset about all of this, and I'm not going to be bullied out of the opinion that 24/7 cameras are actually a good thing.

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Post by wongarsu »

mikkupikku wrote: post #30
Aachen wrote: post #14

These are mappable in OpenStreetMap with the tags surveillance:type=camera + camera:mount=doorbell Data query around the Netherlands shows about a hundred are mapped so far as specifically doorbell cameras: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/2dQw (the tag does not yet seem established in the USA). There are also many thousands of cameras mapped that are either not doorbell-mounted, or simply not tagged to such detail. This…

Seems like a fairly impractical thing to map unless you're getting volunteers to walk up to and inspect people's front doors. I know there is an app for a sort of gamified version of this where people take tasks to verify street signs or even how many stories a building has, I used that app for a while, but doorbell mapping seems a lot leas casual.

Maybe less common in America, but in Europe it's not uncommon to have multiple people going around town delivering various things to your mailbox: a postman for letters, some poor student delivering grocery store brochures once a week, somebody delivering the local newspaper at the break of dawn, somebody else delivering the local church newspaper once a month, etc. And all of them are going door to door. If just one of them is an openstreetmap fan you quickly have all doorbell cameras in their delivery district mapped

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Post by Spivak »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #84

Everybody is a libertarian when their political opposition has power.

Like HN hasn't been railing against Ring and Flock since their inception. The only difference today is that there's a dangerously stupid arm of the government that now has access to it.

It's the exact same problem HN has been talking about for years except now a group of wannabe commandos who stake out in the parking lots of Mexican restaurants now have a tool where they can just type in their stereotypes and have the AI find them.

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