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Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by 1659447091 »

vkou wrote: post #45
JoshTriplett wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Nobody should ever die for what they say. 2) Nobody should ever get arrested for saying it was good that someone died, or that they're not sad about it, or that the world is better off without them, or that they were a hateful person, or any number of other things someone might say.

3) Nobody should ever get arrested for saying that everyone should get over the death of someone, but it seems that we've already passed this point. Are people going to need to protest with blank signs next year?

> Are people going to need to protest with blank signs next year?

TIL: Blank paper protest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_paper_protest

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by nailer »

nerdponx wrote: post #27
watwut wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kirks career literally started with organised harasment of what they perceived as leftists professors. Kirk himself was pretty atrocious verbally to people he looked down at. And he wink wink condoned violence against husband of democrat. His murder was wrong. It is not true that he would be some kind of universal "civil disagreement" advocate.

Murdering bad people is probably wrong, up to certain limits. Arresting someone for saying that the victim was also a bad person is definitely unequivocally wrong.

I'm pretty sure murder is wrong.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by scythe »

_heimdall wrote: post #24
whatshisface wrote: post #15

I think this is an example of using slow trials as a nonjudicial weapon. The defendant did not break the law and isn't likely to be convicted (at least not on appeal), but they can hold him in jail for months because they got mad at his Facebook post.

That should be where the right to a speedy trial comes into play. If he is held in jail because he isn't released on bail, the best thing to do is repeatedly file motions for the speedy trial.

I think if there's a major constitutional right to be invoked here, it's the Eighth Amendment "excessive bail shall not be required". Two million dollars?! For a 61-year-old posting on Facebook? What kind of risk does he pose exactly?

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by convolvatron »

nailer wrote: post #104
tuckwat wrote: post #10

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Yes, Dang has been manually unflagging stories recently so HN has become a very different place in the last half year or so.

to be fair Dang can't win here. should HN devolve into a never ending shouting match between people who either aren't listening or aren't saying anything meaningful?

if HN shuts down a story they are accused of stifling discourse and picking sides (apparently _both_ sides to hear it)

and the truth is this is a hugely important series of events for everyone, tech included, regardless of 'side'.

I think the strategy of letting one of these simmer on the back burner every day is the best HN is going to be able to do.

but don't dig into the staff, I'm sure they're not enjoying any of this.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by canucker2016 »

beloch wrote: post #95

People outside the U.S. should care about this because so much social media is based in the U.S.. i.e. If you post an anti-MAGA meme to Facebook or reddit from an identifiable account you could be charged as this man was. Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.) However, the U…

People outside the US can be in tons of trouble already for social media postings.

UK and Germany come to mind where the police/law will go after people for what they post.

That's just for developed countries. Consequences are worse in developing countries.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #130
boston_clone wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just in, the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s is not actually Socialist !

> the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s is not actually Socialist Good comparison. One of the victims of the Night of the Long Knives were the Strasserists [1][2]. It’s absolutely legitimate to point out when the German Socialist movement was coöpted by Hitler. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

No true socialist could do such a thing.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #89
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Self-identified "conservatives" are pushing this wave of censorship and autocracy Are they? MAGA has made it a point to purge the former GOP of conservatives.

I'm gonna need a source for that with specificity to the "conservative" self-identification.

You’re the one who made the claim that “self-identified ‘conservatives’ are pushing this wave of censorship and autocracy.” Isn’t the burden of proof on you?

In any case, we have polling around non-MAGA Republicans [1]. And contrasting Trump 1 and 2 seems to show how having non-MAGA Republicans, many of whom identified as conservative and didn’t endorse the 2020 coup attempt, makes a difference.

[1] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econtoplines...

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #137
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s is not actually Socialist Good comparison. One of the victims of the Night of the Long Knives were the Strasserists [1][2]. It’s absolutely legitimate to point out when the German Socialist movement was coöpted by Hitler. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

No true socialist could do such a thing.

> No true socialist could do such a thing

You’re really going to reduce a historical event to platitudes?

What people call themselves matters. It may not be strictly correct. But it’s an identity, and that predicts how they’ll align in a crisis or movement.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by titanomachy »

yibg wrote: post #49

Amazingly even this post is a reflection of the discourse around Kirk. There are replies equating any criticism of Kirk to celebrating his death and glossing over his past nasty behavior. All seems to detached from reality.

It doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk could have been the greatest saint of our generation, and it would still be unjust to imprison someone for posting a meme saying that they don't care about his death.
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