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Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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What is most amusing to me about this whole thing is that two weeks ago The Atlantic published[0] an article offering incredible insight into just how much effort goes into making Google's maps so good. Was it already too late at that point for Apple to see this and think that maybe they hadn't thought this thing through? The only alternatives I can think of are blindingly foolish. Either they thought they engineered…

Maybe they just didn't have enough time? Google Maps has been around for 7 years (more than that pre-acquisition).

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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post #19

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Apple actually makes this kind of mistake often: they positively excel at some things (retail relationships, hardware supply chains, physical design, software integration) but really suck at other things (social experiences, data harvesting and search, data synchronization and security, dealing with developers): even "within" the Apple community this leads to a number of well-known failures, from Ping (a similar situ…

There's plenty worth criticizing about Apple, but you didn't even mention radar:// 1) "Social Experiences" - Ping failed where... who succeeded? 2) "Data Harvesting and Search" - These are two terms that are either exactly the same, or extremely different. Neither points at a clear criticism. You realize Apple pioneered desktop search, right? 3) "Data synchronization" - Where's the problem, exactly? Is there any comp…

> "1) "Social Experiences" - Ping failed where... who succeeded?"

Facebook + Spotify. I actually see people sharing the music they listen to. Not to mention, it is indeed very possible to fail without someone else succeeding - i.e., launching a product nobody ever wanted (say, Ping).

> "You realize Apple pioneered desktop search, right?"

And now the competition is much better than they are. Your point?

> "Where's the problem, exactly?"

iCloud. Have you written an iCloud-enabled app recently? I was in the iCloud session at this year's WWDC, and damn that was a tense session - developers approached this session with "hopefully this shit finally works", because iCloud up until that point was broken, and still largely is.

If you look behind Apple's hyperbolic claims and actually look at the API and work with it, you will realize iCloud is pretty much loosely held together by string. It breaks often, the API is obtuse and more or less undocumented, and there are very few ways to look under the hood when it does break, even while in dev, much less production.

Apple really, really sucks at data synchronization. Here's an interesting test: take an iCloud-enabled app, go into your settings and delete the app's cloud data. You would expect this to delete your data and let you start fresh right? But nope, none of your devices associated with this Apple account can ever use iCloud with this app again.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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post #84

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I'm thinking it's a ploy to get people to read yet another criticism of Apple's new maps. We get it, they're bad. EDIT: Frankly, I think it's pretty hilarious this article is so long and formal.

I actually found this article to be the first one that didn't just criticize Apple, but actually made suggestions about how they should go about fixing it. It was rather interesting for someone like me who has no experience in map making, to see how much is really involved in digital cartography. edit: on a related note, I always took google maps for granted, but now that I realize how fantastic of an effort it must…

The Atlantic recently wrote up a nice piece on Google Maps. It explores just how complex the whole operation is, how many humans and machines are involved in making Google's maps...

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-go...

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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Is this true though? It's easy for everyone for all the armchair CEOs to say that Jobs never would have released such an epic fail, but I'm not so sure. If there's one thing that Apple hates as much as a half-baked UX, it's dependency on another tech company. It seems pretty obvious to me as a casual developer and observer of Google maps over the years that global mapping is really really hard. How could Apple not ha…

Are Bing Maps this horrible? Couldn't they license those if they didn't have a choice? Or what about MapQuest? What about the maps used by GPS units? Couldn't they have made a deal with Garmin or Tomtom or someone like that? It may have taken more work than integration with Google, but it'd almost definitely take less work than starting from scratch. I definitely do not believe that their hands were tied and they wer…

> What about the maps used by GPS units? Couldn't they have made a deal with Garmin or Tomtom or someone like that?

They have made a deal with Tomtom (teleatlas).

Concerning Garmin, they don't do maps but use navteq (a subsidiary of nokia). Apple should probably have bought nokia, they would have acquired the best mobile maps technology.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

#136
post #100

What is most amusing to me about this whole thing is that two weeks ago The Atlantic published[0] an article offering incredible insight into just how much effort goes into making Google's maps so good. Was it already too late at that point for Apple to see this and think that maybe they hadn't thought this thing through? The only alternatives I can think of are blindingly foolish. Either they thought they engineered…

It seems most likely that contract negotiations broke down and Apple lost access to Google map data completely, leaving them left to replace the Maps service as quickly as possible. There is no logical reason for Apple to just walk away from a good deal just because it is Google.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

#137
post #100

What is most amusing to me about this whole thing is that two weeks ago The Atlantic published[0] an article offering incredible insight into just how much effort goes into making Google's maps so good. Was it already too late at that point for Apple to see this and think that maybe they hadn't thought this thing through? The only alternatives I can think of are blindingly foolish. Either they thought they engineered…

My thoughts exactly. I remember when I read the article about the Google approach I thought...holy shit.

If the _best_ Google could come up with was throwing manpower at the problem then anybody else should think really carefully about their solution if it doesn't involve similar manpower.

Re: Google Maps' advantage over Apple Maps

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post #48

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Apple is smarter than this. They would not have released such a half-baked replacement unless they were forced to. I suspect Google refused to renew knowing Apple were working on a replacement but were not yet ready. This is Apple's "Vista" moment and will inevitably draw the "wouldn't have happened under Jobs" comments. How Apple recovers will form business school study material for years to come.

I'm not so sure they were forced to. I thought that too, initially, but another commenter somewhere else pointed out how hasty and nervy Google's "maps" announcement was, just before WWDC. In that context, it doesn't sound like something Google was wanting to happen.

What we do know is that Google raised their general prices for map access since the original deal with Apple was made. If we assume Google also wanted to increase the rate for Apple's access, it seems logical that they would be upset that they lost a multimillion dollar deal.
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