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China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD. Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.

Tesla relies on US govt subsidies as well.

And the Tesla factory in Shanghai also gets Chinese subsidies.

The subsidies to Chinese EV companies isn't direct anymore. Most of it is in the form of tax refunds. The biggest "subsidy", though, is the incredible pipeline China has built to feed the industry. Their industrial policy has created an huge ecosystem capable of feeding batteries and components into their EV industry at a price point and scale that no other country can compete with. It's been an incredibly effective industrial policy.

I get what the OP means about the destruction of our auto industry but we can only hide behind that for so long. An ineffective and noncompetitive auto industry won't be able to scale up during a war either. I hope our industrial leaders and politicians are using tariffs and other trade barriers to the US car industry only as a temporary reprieve while we scale up our ecosystem too. Otherwise we run the risk of becoming one of those countries that keeps outdated domestic companies alive just to say we have those companies. Without export discipline and the ability to compete effectively on the global stage, domestic companies are just zombies kept alive by domestic subsidies. They won't be able to help us in the event of a war with a peer adversary.

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Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

> It is important that the US have strong auto companies. Same is true for Germany, France, Japan, S. Korea, etc.

It is. But the reality is that those companies are complacent fossils who have lost all their vigor, and only threat of extinction would force them to innovate. Which they’re not under because legislators agree with you (in no small part thanks to their lobbyists).

Like many things, we’ll realize the extent of how badly we messed up when it’s way too late.

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> Porsche 919 Hybrid EVO did it in 5:19 If anyone hasn't seen this, I highly recommend it, even if you're not a car fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmSUHhP3ug

what is "boost"? my car does not have that

Intake pressure provided by the turbo or supercharger - basically exhaust gasses spin one side of the turbine that causes the other side to pump air in to the engine at higher-than-atmospheric pressure.

This allows for more fuel to be added for more bang per engine stroke!

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

This is the type of statement that often comes from pro China people. Because the quality of BYD in China is lower than outside of China, making it more propaganda than truth.

Edit: Sigh. I wish people would actually travel to China and try a BYD and then go to Australia and try BYD. it’s like 2 different cars. The China BYD is trash. BYD in Australia is actually quite nice and feels like really good value.

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In what sense are domestic car manufacturers "important"? They're inefficient if they're being outcompeted by China.

If the "outcompeting" is possible because of Chinese government subsidies, then it's important to protect local industry from unfair competition. It's similar to the logic behind anti-trust actions against monopolists. If the playing field isn't level, then the USA government steps in to level it. (Whether BYD is subsidised or not is another question, but the above is the logic of protecting local industry.)

> If the playing field isn't level, then the USA government steps in to level it.

More recently though, it kind of seems like if the playing field isn't tipped strongly towards the US, then the US government will step in to tip it their way.

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China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD. Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.

Is that really correct? I have no idea how to compare one to the other but if I search for "how much money did China give BYD" the AI claims 3.7 billion. If I ask "how much money did the US government give Tesla" it has 3 different numbers. $4.9 billion, $11 billion, and $38 billion. Not sure how it's counting Asking for other companies: Ford $9 billion, Chevy $11 billion No idea if this is made up and no idea how to…

> No idea if this is made up

It's an AI generated answer. That's always the problem so you shouldn't be using it as a factual information source.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Is that really correct? I have no idea how to compare one to the other but if I search for "how much money did China give BYD" the AI claims 3.7 billion. If I ask "how much money did the US government give Tesla" it has 3 different numbers. $4.9 billion, $11 billion, and $38 billion. Not sure how it's counting Asking for other companies: Ford $9 billion, Chevy $11 billion No idea if this is made up and no idea how to…

> No idea if this is made up It's an AI generated answer. That's always the problem so you shouldn't be using it as a factual information source.

Just because AI found an answer doesn't mean it's not true

Elon Musk’s business empire is built on $38 billion in government funding https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2025/e...

Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192

Subsidy Tracker: General Motors https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/general-moto...

etc... etc... etc...

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

Contrasting opinion: BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year. BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.

Tbh i have to agree with you. I tried byd and cuts corners everywhere. Look at the screen: static video instead of Tesla interactive, low screen dpi. Other small details I can’t recall.

I also don’t like Tesla, but at least they have a nicer screen. Tesla also has big gaps between their parts looking from outside.

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By dinosaur companies, you mean Tesla and Elon Musk

From what I see in the roads in China, Tesla is pretty competitive in the right environment

Yes, it’s impressive there are so many Teslas in China. I saw at least 10-20% of Teslas there. But I think it’s not because of being competitive price wise but more about status.

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Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

> It is important that the US have strong auto companies.

Totally agree. The problem is that it instead has General Motors and Ford.

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