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Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by illiac786 »

concinds wrote: post #79
Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

>Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences.

I’d argue this applies to a very large proportion of companies out there, they don’t have to be huge to suffer from this affliction.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by illiac786 »

mitchell209 wrote: post #83
microtonal wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebo…

I’m seriously considering switching off just because I hate how complicated their app has become. But I’m not a heavy user of stuff like safe documents, ID Cards, etc so it simply adds clutter and extra taps to get to the account passwords that I want. And obviously everything you stated as well is a disappointment.

I think you can seriously improve your UX, because I don’t have any extra tap to access passwords, definitely not because of ID cards or the likes. I just search for any item (no matter what category) or it is already suggested and I don’t have to search.

I genuinely don’t mean this in a condescending way, but you must use it wrong or have a wrong setting somewhere.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by illiac786 »

microtonal wrote: post #69
JimDabell wrote: post #56

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I’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.

It is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebo…

Actually I really disliked electron but 1Password showed me it can be done right.

I still prefer native, but the argument of smaller code base for security reasons is a valid one.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by illiac786 »

lawgimenez wrote: post #50
the_lucifer wrote: post #49

Seeing 1Password there hurts me. They used to be paragons of well designed native apps that they dumped with 8.

Truly sad, if I remember they were still migrating to SwiftUI for their iOS app. I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also.

What about windows, Linux, etc.?

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by raspasov »

encom wrote: post #107
raspasov wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does have a 128GB laptop with M4 Max.

It starts at 5000 USD. Five. Thousand. Dollars.

It is the fastest laptop CPU in the world right now, by a decent stretch.

128GB PC laptops are not very cheap either, if you want a decent one, like a ThinkPad.

Here’s a 7000 USD ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 workstation:

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th...

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by m-schuetz »

encom wrote: post #105
m-schuetz wrote: post #101

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Dev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched. If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.

I'm not a dev (by profession). I don't care about the you-ecks of developers. Electron creates objectively terrible software by every metric that matters for the end user. >sophisticated You confuse complexity for sophistication.

Objectively wrong. Bad programmers create terrible software. Electron was used for some fantastic software like vscode.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by m-schuetz »

ezst wrote: post #108
m-schuetz wrote: post #101

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Dev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched. If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.

Dev UX is only good in that we regressed to the point that there's not much left but Web, and that's what the majority of devs know as a result. The Dev UX of the Web is pretty bad, though, compared to past and present alternatives, and I'm far from having as much fun putting together UXes for the Web as I was with older tech like Qt, Swing, JavaFX, etc (the tooling was better, more efficient, they had builders for r…

I've used Qt, Swing and JavaFX, and found all of them absolutely terrible. Qt might have at least led to some good results, but it's fairly bad to use and deploy. Especially if you want to use the latest Graphics APIs, which worked pretty badly back when I last used Qt in 2016. I much prefer Electron, or imgui for C++. I'll happily sacrifice some features so long as I dont have to use Qt.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by encom »

raspasov wrote: post #135
encom wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It starts at 5000 USD. Five. Thousand. Dollars.

It is the fastest laptop CPU in the world right now, by a decent stretch. 128GB PC laptops are not very cheap either, if you want a decent one, like a ThinkPad. Here’s a 7000 USD ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 workstation: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th...

>fastest laptop CPU in the world

Maybe, but it's 1) ARM 2) In a Mac. Those are some colossal caveats.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by Kwpolska »

lowmagnet wrote: post #120
Kwpolska wrote: post #89

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Too many Apple users consider Apple to be holy and will blame app vendors for OS bugs.

When said app authors use a private library that a Apple asked them to not use, is it really wrong to blame them?

From a Windows end-user perspective, the entity to blame for apps breaking after a Windows upgrade is Microsoft, even if the app was doing something it should not have [0].

[0] Search for "return policy" on https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost... .

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by mitchell209 »

illiac786 wrote: post #132
mitchell209 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m seriously considering switching off just because I hate how complicated their app has become. But I’m not a heavy user of stuff like safe documents, ID Cards, etc so it simply adds clutter and extra taps to get to the account passwords that I want. And obviously everything you stated as well is a disappointment.

I think you can seriously improve your UX, because I don’t have any extra tap to access passwords, definitely not because of ID cards or the likes. I just search for any item (no matter what category) or it is already suggested and I don’t have to search. I genuinely don’t mean this in a condescending way, but you must use it wrong or have a wrong setting somewhere.

My main gripe is with the iOS app. I actually think the Mac version is easy to use still and don't have that many issues with it. But on iOS, it starts on Home and if I don't already have the site favorited and can't remember the name of the website, that's 2 additional taps to get to a list of all passwords - Items in the bottom tab and then either All Items or my Personal vault - and then I can start scrolling through to find what I'm looking for. Obviously if I'm already on the site for autofill or it's something basic like Gmail, Microsoft, etc then I have no problem searching. But sometimes I search for sites that I used years ago and can't remember the name.
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