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ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

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Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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It doesn't matter what I think. The reality is most people who voted, voted for this or something like this. This will only change at the ballot box, assuming you believe in fair elections.

> It doesn't matter what I think. Then do us a favor and stop sharing it.

You can feel free to ignore. I hope you have a nice rest of your weekend.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Federalist papers, Thomas Jefferson, and the Supreme Court as recently as 2008 have all identified the right to bear arms as a mechanism for protection against a tyrannical state. It's surprising as a 2A supporter that you seem unaware of why the amendment exists. Is that true, or is there something more here?

The leap you are making is that citizens perceive immigration enforcement as tyrannical.

Yes, every gigantic new secret police force answerable only to the executive is created to "catch criminals" or "deport immigrants" or do whatever else people will accept, until said police force's mandate is morphed as needed. That is why so many 2A defenders are (rightly) skeptical of large domestic police forces answerable to the executive branch, which is what ICE is; it's also why so many defenders have been skeptical of the FBI, ATF, and so on. The only people who think the mandate won't adjust as needed are, to be blunt, trusting patsies, which is not what 2A defenders have historically been.

The creators and defenders of the second amendment were and are smart people. They were skeptical of highly concentrated power, which is why we have a federalist system; they were also highly skeptical of large concentrations of militarized police power, which is why our police in general are run by states and municipalities. It is really quite difficult to reconcile support of a massive ICE apparatus with any sort of comprehension of the political philosophy of the US constitution.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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That this post got flagged, and was allowed to stay flagged (as far as I can see) is one more excellent example of the selective idiocy of the moderators on this site, or if not their idiocy, than tacit support for dampening certain narratives. It's very much a tech-related post, that talks about a very worrying authoritarian digital surveillance tendency, and it gets flagged on a site that calls itself "hacker news"? Get the fuck out of town.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

Moderators don't flag content, members do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169622>.

If you believe a story shouldn't have been flagged, email mods at hn@ycombinator.com.

(Mods also don't see mentions of their names, email is how you attract moderators' attention.)

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#136

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

Moderators don't flag content, members do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169622 >. If you believe a story shouldn't have been flagged, email mods at hn@ycombinator.com. (Mods also don't see mentions of their names, email is how you attract moderators' attention.)

> Moderators don't flag content, members do

Moderators are ultimately responsible for moderation. The moderation system is failing when it comes to technology issues with a political tint. (In contrast, it has been pretty good with rage bait foreign policy stuff. Genuinely good discussions around quality content.)

If folks are bandwagon flagging content with a consistent bias, the system should shadow ban their flags for a while.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#137

The US is going down the gutter, it's sad and pathetic.

Arguably, we have been for a long, long time, and this is merely the first step in a long line of small corrections so that we may finally one day prosper once again.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Yeah, that's some Gestapo level business... or since they don't like that word, Stasi. As in, there were loads of people in the DDR (East Germany, 1949-1989) whose job it was to read people's personal mail, along with the network of neighborhood snitches.

They really should just create "report your fellow users" snitching website. Oh, I should make such a website and sell it to the Stasi, I'm going to be rich! Easier would be to hint at Zuck that Trump wants that feature built-in on Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram, and the subservient billionaire will get right on it.

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Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderators don't flag content, members do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169622 >. If you believe a story shouldn't have been flagged, email mods at hn@ycombinator.com. (Mods also don't see mentions of their names, email is how you attract moderators' attention.)

> Moderators don't flag content, members do Moderators are ultimately responsible for moderation. The moderation system is failing when it comes to technology issues with a political tint. (In contrast, it has been pretty good with rage bait foreign policy stuff. Genuinely good discussions around quality content.) If folks are bandwagon flagging content with a consistent bias, the system should shadow ban their flags…

People do get their flagging powers revoked for excessive flagging. It happened to me a while ago. Most people who lose flagging powers won't notice it because the UI doesn't change and there is no direct indication that your flags are being ignored. I eventually emailed the mods to pledge more judicious use of flags and ask for my flagging rights to be restored, which was enough to get them back.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moderators don't flag content, members do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39169622 >. If you believe a story shouldn't have been flagged, email mods at hn@ycombinator.com. (Mods also don't see mentions of their names, email is how you attract moderators' attention.)

> Moderators don't flag content, members do Moderators are ultimately responsible for moderation. The moderation system is failing when it comes to technology issues with a political tint. (In contrast, it has been pretty good with rage bait foreign policy stuff. Genuinely good discussions around quality content.) If folks are bandwagon flagging content with a consistent bias, the system should shadow ban their flags…

And mods do step in, but the mechanism for drawing their attention, as I've noted, and as the HN Guidelines note (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html>), is email. Not long HN threads about abysmal moderation.
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