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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #107

Can the same functionality be accomplished with mobile web?

Apple is working hard to make sure the answer is no (by not implementing advanced PWA APIs in WebKit and by not allowing other browser engines on iOS).

so now you are going to list the unavailable features that would make a web app impossible…

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #24

As soon as incentives start to diverge, centralized app stores look less benevolent.

Which is why people going back and forth about incentives has always driven me nuts. Attempting to make assurances based on this handle we crank called "human incentive" that may map to human behavior in the expected direction, the opposite direction, or no direction at all, is madness! We don't know. Humans are unsolved. Give me guarantees, or the closest approximation. Federation, distribution, dispersion of author…

> Give me guarantees,

What’s the incentive?

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Why are people so obsessed about apps. could be a website that couldn’t easily be taken down.

this is what I dont understand. so many apps are almost website-like in functionality, and you can save a shortcut to the desktop / main screen and it will launch / look like an app. complete with notifications (if enabled). What's the barrier? (another poster mentioned not knnowing anything outside of the appstore, but then "Share -> Add to Home screen" is a pretty damn simple flow.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google disputes that: https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/09/lets-talk-...

For clarity, they're requiring apps to be signed by a verified developer on certified Android devices. You can still side load, but the verification is still required for the side loaded apps.

This still means that Google is effectively gatekeeping what can be installed on the hardware you own and what cannot.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely an app designed to help circumvent the law is a bad thing, even if it doesn't make one legally a criminal merely by association?

Only if subjectively cherry picking. VPN apps "help circumvent the law", I wouldn't call them a bad thing

VPNs can serve a legitimate purpose, like shielding your traffic while using a public network. Seems to me the better technology analogue to ICEBlock is The Pirate Bay; maybe there's some flimsy pretext of it being used for a legitimate purpose, and maybe it's not outright illegal, but everyone knows that it's almost always used for an illegal purpose.

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Take a breath. Obama drone-struck and killed more than one American citizen. Biden's rhetoric against his political opponents was no less "fascist" than Trump's. Do you find yourself nostalgic for the civility of the McCain-era Republicans? He was called a Nazi by his detractors, as well. Trump doesn't hold a candle to FDR when it comes to being an authoritarian.

> Biden's rhetoric against his political opponents was no less "fascist" than Trump's.

Can you point to any speeches that Biden gave, that talk about sending troops to republican majority cities?

> Trump doesn't hold a candle to FDR when it comes to being an authoritarian

He holds a lighthouse.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Take a breath. Obama drone-struck and killed more than one American citizen. Biden's rhetoric against his political opponents was no less "fascist" than Trump's. Do you find yourself nostalgic for the civility of the McCain-era Republicans? He was called a Nazi by his detractors, as well. Trump doesn't hold a candle to FDR when it comes to being an authoritarian.

So now you’re going to list times when Biden sent armed forces into American cities, withheld funds passed by Congress, personally extorted companies to give him money and targeted conservative “non woke organizations” or spread propaganda on government websites…

Let’s not forget you also need to list times that he fired DAs for not going after his “enemies” and installed his personal attorney with no courtroom experience.

Or when he told a private company - in this case Microsoft - to fire someone he didn’t like. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5528090-trump-d...

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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post #84
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that a bad thing? Was the Underground Railroad a bad thing?

In a society with rule of law, it is generally understood that adhering to laws, even ones you don't personally like, is a good thing; and that it would be a bad thing to pick and choose which laws to follow and enforce. I suppose you're making the argument that current US immigration law is unjust and immoral to begin with and therefore should be actively circumvented?

https://xkcd.com/3081/

Immigration is a veneer around "grab whoever we want with no due process".

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