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Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference

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Post by worik » Tue, Sep 30, 2025, 9:53 PM UTC

kiitos wrote: post #125

worik wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you're self-identifying as an asshole, This is tricky. Human rights exist for assholes. There is not much point of rights just for good people So long as they leave those opinions on their blog, and off the forums, should they be banned?

what? private communities (which in this context would include any website that doesnt end in .gov) banning assholes, has no impact on the human rights of those banned assholes, it is not a human right that you get to have an account on a private website in the same way that getting trespassed from chipotle for not wearing pants when ordering your burrito bowl, doesn't mean your rights have been violated

Surely there is some implied right, as a user and developer on Nix to take part in the forums?

Should the quality of your opinions, outside the forum, be considered?

It is a difficult problem when dealing with notorious assholes. If they are playing a constructive part inside the organisation, at what level of notoriety and assholeness should the moderators pull the pin?

Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference

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Post by thunderfork » Wed, Oct 01, 2025, 5:51 PM UTC

ranger_danger wrote: post #51

squigz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which is to say, they think it's inherently wrong to put people on the mod team who disagree with their political views, when they don't even moderate a space that's about politics. My reading of that is they think it's inherently wrong to add people to the mod team because they disagree with their political views. Which seems reasonable to me.

Are you saying moderators should be chosen based on their political beliefs?

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Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference

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Post by kiitos » Wed, Oct 01, 2025, 6:46 PM UTC

worik wrote: post #131

kiitos wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what? private communities (which in this context would include any website that doesnt end in .gov) banning assholes, has no impact on the human rights of those banned assholes, it is not a human right that you get to have an account on a private website in the same way that getting trespassed from chipotle for not wearing pants when ordering your burrito bowl, doesn't mean your rights have been violated

Surely there is some implied right, as a user and developer on Nix to take part in the forums? Should the quality of your opinions, outside the forum, be considered? It is a difficult problem when dealing with notorious assholes. If they are playing a constructive part inside the organisation, at what level of notoriety and assholeness should the moderators pull the pin?

> If they are playing a constructive part inside the organisation, at what level of notoriety and assholeness should the moderators pull the pin?

in general, that's 100% up to the discretion of the owners/moderators (shrug)

Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference

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Post by colinsane » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 9:00 PM UTC

gigatexal wrote: post #105

Usually when popular projects have this much turmoil there a fork. Centos stream Node to deno Etc etc Why hasn’t there been a fork of nixos? And the folks who want to do things in a certain politically leaning way gravitate towards that and those that don’t stay. And boom. There’s peace again.

> Why hasn’t there been a fork of nixos? And the folks who want to do things in a certain politically leaning way gravitate towards that and those that don’t stay.

v.s.

> Why hasn’t there been a fork of nixos? And the folks who want to do things in a certain politically leaning way stay and those that don’t gravitate towards that.

now let's spend the next few years arguing which of these is the correct proposition.

sure, it's more complicated: there's questions about _what_ to fork (Nix is an _ecosystem_, not necessarily a single repository), there are certain things which can't trivially _be_ forked (e.g. a multi-hundred-TB S3 cache that's actually critical infrastructure; project websites, wikis, uncountable automation services). how do you coordinate all the details of forking, if forking isn't actually as trivial as pushing the "fork" button? that requires highly capable leaders, and if the ecosystem were good at finding and promoting that type of leader, then it wouldn't be in this place to begin with.

more optimistically, various parts of this ecosystem _have_ been forked, or reshaped, by various entities. things happen; sometimes that happening is just a lengthy process.