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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

jsheard wrote: post #35
tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

> It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can press a button and magically get exactly what they want with perfect accuracy and quality. 2. So robust and powerful it enables new kinds of music production and super-charges human producers. Don't forget the secret third option - facilitate a tidal wave of empty-calorie content which saturates every avenue for discovery and "wins" purely by drowning everything else out…

I gave up on synthwave which was a genre I loved because there's so much AI it just not worth the effort to find new music. I'll listen to old songs but I have zero interest in new songs. I moved to a more niche genre where there's no AI yet.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

jjmarr wrote: post #97
zubzubi wrote: post #50

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Yes I'm already doing this manually with Reason. I'll compose something that's quite bare bones, export the audio and run it through Suno, asking it to cover and improvise with a specific style, then when I have something I like, I split that into stems, import some or all of these to Reason and then reconstruct and enhance the sound using instruments in Reason, mostly by replaying the parts I like on keyboard and tw…

That's the same process as AI-assisted coding. Or AI-assisted writing. Or AI-assisted anything.

We use AI assisted coding to be more productive or to do boring stuff. If the 'making the music' part is what you are getting away from, why make music? You're basically a shitty 'producer' (decent producers are amazing at those boring parts you are skipping and can fill out a track without hitting up a robot) at that point.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by Veedrac »

freejazz wrote: post #127
Veedrac wrote: post #121

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This argument always seemed weird to me because it's obviously the case that ‘intent and creativity’ is at best a slim minority of consumer preference. If I want a simple dubstep line with random romantic words meaninglessly peppered in it, or the same 4 chord pop song as every other pop song, or you know, anything popular, that's easy. If I want something that's saying something interesting in the topics I find inte…

The poster you are responding to did not make any reference to "consumer preference"

I was using ‘consumer preference’ here as a proxy for ‘the things that people tend to care about.’ The point I'm highlighting is that it's weird that when AI audio comes up, there's a reliable crowd of people discrediting it for missing a thing that clearly doesn't matter that much to most people in most contexts.

It's like, sure you can want things from music that are to your specific taste, but it's like coming into a post about, idk, a folk band and complaining that it's not metal. You're allowed to like your thing, but clearly most music is allowed not to be metal, why is this music specifically bad for not being metal?

And in this case the point I'm making is stronger, in that AI audio actually unlocks a lot of ability to listen things that are ‘interesting and creative’ but not widely available because of consumer preference, so it's actually more like showing up to a folk metal fusion band and saying the problem with this band is that it isn't metal.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

lomase wrote: post #83
recursive wrote: post #81

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Well, music is art. Some of it is done for hire or commission. Most code is written for an employer or contract. Code written as art is an edge case. For advertising jingles it makes some sense. For artistic expression, like... what's the point?

If the act of creating this AI music provides joy to them... I think they are artist I used to release music that people listend to, but not anymore, now the only joy comes from making it for myself. Am I still an artist?

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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

sandoze wrote: post #12

Before AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg. Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization if you will. I can’t help but wonder what gets lost when using tools like this.

If no one is creating new music/styles for the models to steal, you will only get remixes of what already exists. AI is an entropy machine, it sucks all of the energy/momentum out of everything it touches.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by flats »

Veedrac wrote: post #121
moritzwarhier wrote: post #98

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I'm pretty sure your creation will be more interesting than any AI-generated "art". Suno can create catchy songs and succeed in matching genre expectations / cliches. I've been in phases where I had output I generated with it playing in my head constantly (due to repeated listening). The output was catchy. Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly. And I, among other stuff, enjoy a lot of music t…

This argument always seemed weird to me because it's obviously the case that ‘intent and creativity’ is at best a slim minority of consumer preference. If I want a simple dubstep line with random romantic words meaninglessly peppered in it, or the same 4 chord pop song as every other pop song, or you know, anything popular, that's easy. If I want something that's saying something interesting in the topics I find inte…

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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by cindyllm »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #135
sandoze wrote: post #12

Before AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg. Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization if you will. I can’t help but wonder what gets lost when using tools like this.

If no one is creating new music/styles for the models to steal, you will only get remixes of what already exists. AI is an entropy machine, it sucks all of the energy/momentum out of everything it touches.

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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

lomase wrote: post #28
meowface wrote: post #24

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I simultaneously feel repulsed by AI music and "art" and yet am totally open to being captivated by AI music if I really feel something is musically better than almost any human-made music I've heard. I just haven't heard anything that isn't "slopful" yet. If I do, I will still feel weird about it, but I'm a big believer in the value of "aesthetic objects in themselves", so I am eager to find something I do actually…

I do love generative music. I don't care if you get your notes from a markov chain a shif register a LLM or your brain. The problem with AI music is that is just sounds like shit.

Even AI generated dubstep?

https://suno.com/s/gJhedd4hmIsHbccc

https://suno.com/s/qfFWu3kyQ2cXW8mT

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by Nursie »

creata wrote: post #122
Nursie wrote: post #112

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> And listeners/consumers can tell the difference between art created with intent and soul, and a pale imitation of that. Respectfully I disagree. We have had curated, manufactured pop, built by committee and sung by pretty mouthpieces with no emotional connection, for a long time now, and they make big money. And look at the vocaloid stuff too. Those who care, care. Everyone else?

> And look at the vocaloid stuff too. What about the vocaloid stuff?

It’s soulless by definition, designed by committee and sung by a machine. Entirely manufactured. But people like it.

It’s a counterpoint to the above argument that listeners will be dismissive of AI-produced music because it is a pale imitation of art created with intent and soul. On the contrary, such music thrives and is very popular already.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by jjulius »

songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

>... but "learning Suno" is no different than "learning guitar".

No it absolutely is not.

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