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Re: Ollama Web Search

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You could take a look at the leaked Yandex source code from a few years ago. I'd believe their architecture should be decent enough.

Where?

I'm not sure if linking to those files is allowed by HN, and it could potentially expose me to lawsuits.

However, searching for "Yandex git sources magnet link" might help.

Re: Ollama Web Search

#132
Looks like Ollama is focusing more and more on non-local offerings. Also their performance is worse than say vLLM.

What's a good Ollama alternative (for keeping 1-5x RTX 3090 busy) if you want to run things like open-webui (via an OpenAI compatible API) where your users can choose between a few LLMs?

Re: Ollama Web Search

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You can say you're training an AI model and do whatever you want with it.

The "Zuckerberg defence". It's OK to pirate a massive amount of books if you're not reading or sharing, but rather just training an AI.

I don't know where I stand on the issue but it's interesting Facebook has been known to block PB links while Google seemed to refuse requests to do the same

Re: Ollama Web Search

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The "Zuckerberg defence". It's OK to pirate a massive amount of books if you're not reading or sharing, but rather just training an AI.

I don't know where I stand on the issue but it's interesting Facebook has been known to block PB links while Google seemed to refuse requests to do the same

What are peanut butter links?

Re: Ollama Web Search

#135
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I'd love to know what search engine provider they're using under the hood for this. I asked them on Twitter and didn't get a reply (yet) https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1971210260015919488 Crucially, I want to understand the license that applies to the search results. Can I store them, can I re-publish them? Different providers have different rules about this.

You should ask if search results are even copyrightable, if they are just a list of links.

Instead of turning this into an academic debate about copyright, a more practical thing to do is to examine the terms and conditions of whatever API you are using. Because if you are going to end up in a conflict with a search API provider, those probably spell out pretty clearly what the provider wants to allow or not and what you are agreeing to by using their API.

Caching is a problem with many geocoding APIs (which I happen to be familiar with) and a good reason to prefer e.g. Opencage over the Google or Here geocoders because unlike most geocoder terms and conditions, Opencage actually encourages you to cache and store things; because it's all open data. The Here geocoder requires you to tell them how much data you store and will try to charge you extra for the privilege of storing and keeping data around. Because it's their data and the conditions under which they license it to you are limiting what you can and cannot do. Search APIs are very similar. Technically geocoding is a form of search (given a query, return a list of stuff).

Re: Ollama Web Search

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post #58
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I'd love to know what search engine provider they're using under the hood for this. I asked them on Twitter and didn't get a reply (yet) https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1971210260015919488 Crucially, I want to understand the license that applies to the search results. Can I store them, can I re-publish them? Different providers have different rules about this.

We work with search providers and ensure that we have zero data retention policies in place. The search results are yours to own and use. You are free to do what you want with it. Of course you are bound by local laws of the legal jurisdiction you are in.

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Re: Ollama Web Search

#137

Ollama is a business? They raised money? I thought it was just a useful open source product. I wonder how they plan to monetize their users. Doesn't sound promising.

Until I saw your reply I had thought this post is about OpenAI lol.

Re: Ollama Web Search

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We have relationships with many providers and I don't want to be seen as promoting or not promoting a specific provider. Some decent privacy-preserving vendors - Brave, Exa, Parallel Web Systems, DuckDuckGo etc We will continue to monitor what's good to improve the output quality and results. Sometimes it could be the combination of providers to yield even better results. If I say one combination right now, and reali…

The reason I care about this is that different providers have different rules about how I can use the results. Brave: https://api-dashboard.search.brave.com/terms-of-service "Licensee shall not at any time, and shall not permit others to: store the results of the API or any derivative works from the results of the API" Exa: https://exa.ai/assets/Exa_Labs_Terms_of_Service.pdf "You may not [...] download, modify, copy,…

IANAL, but if Ollama says "you can do with the results whatever you want", then they would be the ones liable for any breach of TOS.

That's admittedly a pretty foolish behaviour on their part and doesn't instill trust in Ollama as a service provider, but you as the end-user should be in the clear.

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