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ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by roywiggins »

happyopossum wrote: post #123
layer8 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App stores that operate in the EU are subject to EU law, and can be forced to remove noncompliant apps.

Ahh, but they’ve already mandated side loading to piss off apple! Bit of an own-goal there.

> Apps installed through alternative app distribution undergo a Notarization process to ensure every app meets baseline platform integrity standards...

> Notarization for iOS and iPadOS apps is a baseline review that applies to all apps, regardless of their distribution channel, focused on platform policies for security and privacy and to maintain device integrity.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/118110

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by cuu508 »

justapassenger wrote: post #113
mnls wrote: post #95

The fact that EU politicians exclude themselves from the ChatControl is all you need to know about this.

Source on that?

Page 36, section 2a here: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/202...

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by johnwayne666 »

simianparrot wrote: post #122
haolez wrote: post #3

I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.

The only real option is to get your country to leave the EU. An unelected cabal of people making sweeping decisions for countless member states isn't democratic, so yeet it while you can.

> An unelected cabal of people

European Commission: Commissioners are nominated by elected national governments and must be approved by the directly elected European Parliament.

Council of the EU: Ministers are accountable to their national parliaments, which are elected by citizens.

European Council: Composed of heads of state/government who were elected in their own countries.

European Parliament: Members are directly elected by EU citizens every five years.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

realo wrote: post #62
kypro wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've commented this elsewhere, but rights in the US are generally much more absolute than here in Europe. For example, in the EU you technically have the right to freedom of expression, but you can also be arrested if you say something that could offend someone. Similarly rights to privacy are often ignored whenever a justification can be made that it's appropriate to do so. I don't know about elsewhere in the world,…

"... expression, but you can also be arrested if you say something that could offend someone. ..." You probably mean hate speech. We have laws like that too in Canada. It is a good thing.

I mean Canada's a pretty depressing example of how bad those laws can be abused.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by bapak »

Where is Apple in all of this?

They're such proponents of privacy that they've actively started encrypting as much as possible for decades but now that the EU is about to break all that they're silent.

They raised such a fuss when the FBI asked to decrypt that single iPhone years ago, but now that millions are on the line... nothing?

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by glenstein »

tomkarho wrote: post #84
haolez wrote: post #3

I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.

The only way I see to prevent the constant pushing is that every single time some council or committee presents something like this every single of one of their private communication gets leaked for everyone to peruse at their leisure from whatsapp to bank statements. They want to erode people's privacy? Let them walk their talk first and see how that goes.

>The only way I see to prevent the constant pushing is that every single time some council or committee presents something like this

Yes but.. it can't just be vague exhortations and generalities. I didn't know the pertinent bodies previously, but after GPT'ing on it, it looks like they include:

One is "DG Home," an EU department on security that drafts legislation.

Another is Europol, a security coordination body that can't legislate but frequently advocates for this kind of legislation.

And then there's LEWP, The law enforcement working party, a "working group" comprised of security officials from member EU states, also involved in EU policy making in some capacity.

I think the blocking states should be resisting these at these respective bodies too.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by [deleted] »

i_am_a_squirrel wrote: post #81
nisten wrote: post #36

If you are a smart kid in europe learn to vibecode XChacha20 & ed25519 encryption keys for you and your friends to chat with so you can go tell your incompetent government to go fuck themselves.

but then they'll make this a crime

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Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by zx10rse »

haolez wrote: post #3

I think the challenge for society here is not to simply reject attempts like this, but how to prevent them from being pushed over and over until a specific context allows it to be approved.

Strip the privileges from the bureaucrats who are involved in any type of government work or activity. No immunities, no security.

If you want to be a servant to the public be one.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by platevoltage »

quotemstr wrote: post #26
contravariant wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The accepted solution is to have a constitution that says otherwise. Which is a bit complicated here, as the EU has no real constitution and this 'law' (really a regulation) is a blatant violation of the constitutions of countries that did choose to establish secrecy of correspondence.

> The accepted solution is to have a constitution that says otherwise. Constitutions don't enforce themselves. The US constitution has a crystal clear right to bear arms but multiple jurisdictions ignore it and multiple supreme court rulings and make firearm ownership functionally impossible anyway. Free speech regulations have, thankfully, been more robust. The only thing that stops bad things happening is a critica…

I'm not here to argue about the right to bear arms in the USA, but the 2nd amendment is anything but crystal clear in its language.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by randomNumber7 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #77
randomNumber7 wrote: post #29

What would prevent me from writing my own program to do something simple like sending encrypted messages? Or just emails...

They'll push the scanning to the OS level, mandate that the OS does it. Hence the seemingly coordinated effort with Google on the sideloading changes, and enforcing play protect, etc. Like the TPM & Microsoft scare when TPM first started arriving in hardware, and we all thought it would be used to lock out other OSes. Only it's for real this time.

> They'll push the scanning to the OS level

I don't know if this is possible so easily. Does the OS scan the memory of all applications? How does it know what is text and image data?

What if it is encryped or even just obfuscated? Does the OS then track all changes of memory etc?

Or you think it'll just have a rolling keylogger so you can't type in s.th. malicious?

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