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EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by bergfest »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #66

Well, in the end there may only be one thing left we can collectively do, but which we surely won't collectively do, because too many of us are way too comfortable to accept any discomforts: We can avoid using services implementing shit, so that any business that singles out desktop users or disadvantages them, doesn't have much of a customer base. Voting with out feet. I have very little hope, that the common user w…

We have to assume this is only the first step. The next step will be mandatory identity attestation for everything and your only choices will be to either accept it or not use any services at all.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by SomeoneOnTheWeb »

jwally wrote: post #122

Here's my crack at a good-enough solution for the U.S. It doesn't have a ton of granularity - but the concept is shovel ready now, dirt cheap, and privacy preserving. Video Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmcUJ5u65Q0 Actual Demo: https://app.hornpub.click How it works: 1) Go to app.horpub.click 2) Create an ephemeral passkey 3) Extract its public-key and id (this binds the credential you're creating to your dev…

What's crazy to me is why they didn't go for that kind of implementation. This works well, ensures privacy, can be audited easily, and doesn't need a f*cking app on my phone.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

mariusor wrote: post #104
ktosobcy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, looking around I see more people using smartphones for anything and even not having a PC…

But as long as there are still people using desktop computers, removing access from them is an overreach and makes these ideas totally undemocratic. I am frankly baffled that an organization having the principles and know-how of the EU can even think of gating access to information with something so slipshod. The only eventuality where this is acceptable is when desktop computers won't even be gated, and then if anyo…

> I am frankly baffled that an organization having the principles and know-how of the EU can even think of gating access to information with something so slipshod.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Principles in a government body don't exist. They are all crooks.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by meindnoch »

mrtksn wrote: post #38

Tangentially, I would love to be able to see the age of everyone on the internet. IRL this gives us so much context when having an interaction.

I dream of a world, in which people are judged not by their age but by the content of their character.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by Fargren »

okanat wrote: post #129
logifail wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

Yes in EU. I'm in Spain and I sign up to several banks as well as government sites in my desktop PC.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by jwally »

SomeoneOnTheWeb wrote: post #133
jwally wrote: post #122

Here's my crack at a good-enough solution for the U.S. It doesn't have a ton of granularity - but the concept is shovel ready now, dirt cheap, and privacy preserving. Video Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmcUJ5u65Q0 Actual Demo: https://app.hornpub.click How it works: 1) Go to app.horpub.click 2) Create an ephemeral passkey 3) Extract its public-key and id (this binds the credential you're creating to your dev…

What's crazy to me is why they didn't go for that kind of implementation. This works well, ensures privacy, can be audited easily, and doesn't need a f*cking app on my phone.

If I work for Aylo (pornhub, etc) I'm telling every fintech and click-and-mortar bank who wants more customers to do this yesterday!

"Hey third fifth of Oregon! Do you want to triple your customer base in Oregon for the cost of a small dev team and 1 month of work?!"

> f*cking app on my phone

I need another app on my phone like I need another hole in my head...

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by ethagnawl »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #97
qiine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This read more like "we thought pc was a dead relic of the past" sadly

you could pretty much replace the statement with "General purpose computing considered harmful"

> "General purpose computing considered harmful"

Even though it sounds like _you_ probably know this, Cory Doctorow has been sounding this alarm for years. As usual, it seems he was right about the possibility of this being a legitimate battlefront in the (actual, non-hyperbolic) war on freedom.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by debazel »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #128
hellojesus wrote: post #57

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What if you don't have a phone? Or what if your phone runs a custom rom and can't pass google's attlestation?

Then you can't use this method of identification, just like you can't use it now. Surely it won't be the only way to identify yourself online. If this provides a frictionless way to do this for 95% of people then it's already a huge win. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

No, this is worse because it solidifies Apple/Google's duopoly over the smart phone market even more than it already is.

Not only that, but having this locked behind something that works for 95% of users means the other 5% will never have enough leverage for any other implementations to be approved. Which is absolutely unacceptable for such an essential feature like age verification.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by yupyupyups »

okanat wrote: post #129
logifail wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

My bank (in the EU) has a fully functional website where I can identify myself using an offline 2fa device.
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