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Note that the small print on the GMKtec site says that prices do not include customs and VAT. Which seem to amount to 19% in the EU. So, almost 2,4K€.

There seems to be a EU shop as well, but I can't see it's without VAT, not even on checkout page. There's a 50 EUR discount code though.

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I bought an GMKtec evo 2 that is a 128 GB unified memory system. Strong recommend.

That's AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395, right? Lots of those boxes popping up recently, but isn't that dog slow? And I can't believe I'm saying this - but maybe RAM filled-up mac might be a better option?

from the .de website I see 2000eur for the 128GB, But looking at the shipping info, it sounds like it might still be shipped from .cn: ´Please ensure you can handle customs clearance and taxes yourself.´

Also it is Windows 11 which is a big No from me.

But if this is the start of the local big model capable hardware it looks quite hopeful. A 2nd hand M2 128GB studio (which I can use Asahi on) is currently ~3600eur

https://es.wallapop.com/item/mac-studio-m2-ultra-1tb-ssd-128...

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China is winning the hearts of developers in this race so far. At least, they won mine already.

They don't have to ever make a profit, so the game they are playing is a bit different.

Of course they do, eventually. Also, it seems like they're not burning nearly as much money as some of their US competitors.

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so.. why do you think they are trying this hard to win your heart?

They might have dozens of reasons, but they already did what they did. Some of the reasons could be: - mitigation of US AI supremacy - Commodify AI use to push forward innovation and sell platforms to run them, e.g. if iPhone wins local intelligence, it benefits China, because China is manufacturing those phones - talent war inside China - soften the sentiment against China in the US - they're just awesome people - a…

> - they're just awesome people

Thank you for including that option in your list! F#ck cynicism.

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I would strongly emphasize: CV != AI Vision gpt-4o would breeze through your poor images.

It did not, unfortunately. When CV failed gpt-4o failed as well. I even had a list of valid invoice numbers & dates to help the models. Still, most failed. Construction invoices are not great.

I’m very surprised. Have dealt with some really ugly inputs (handwritten text on full ziploc bags etc., stained torn handwritten recipe cards, etc.) with super good success.

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As I mentioned yesterday - I recently needed to process hundreds of low quality images of invoices (for a construction project). I had a script that had used pil/opencv, pytesseract, and open ai as a fallback. It still has a staggering number of failures. Today I tried a handful of the really poor quality invoices and Qwen spat out all the information I needed without an issue. What's crazier is it gave me the boundi…

I wonder why you chose Qwen specifically - Mistral has a specialized model just for OCR that they advertised heavily (I tested it and it works surprisingly well, at least on English-language books from 80s and 90s).

Mistral's model was terrible when I tested it on non Latin characters and on anything that isn't neat printed text (i.e. handwriting)

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Qwen models have historically been pretty good, but there seems to be no architectural novelty here, if I’m not missing it. Seems like another vision encoder, with a projection, and a large autoregressive model. Have there been any better ideas in the VLM space recently? I’ve been away for a couple of years :(

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They don't have to ever make a profit, so the game they are playing is a bit different.

OpenAI were not found to be profit-driven too. It is sad to see the place they are now.

Still nowhere near profits. Until @sama shows third-party audited data, I don't care what he tweets. Same for Anthropic.

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I would strongly emphasize: CV != AI Vision gpt-4o would breeze through your poor images.

It did not, unfortunately. When CV failed gpt-4o failed as well. I even had a list of valid invoice numbers & dates to help the models. Still, most failed. Construction invoices are not great.

Did you try few-shotting examples when you hit problem cases? In my ziploc case, the model was failing if red sharpie was used vs black. A few shot hint fixed that.

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They don't have to ever make a profit, so the game they are playing is a bit different.

Of course they do, eventually. Also, it seems like they're not burning nearly as much money as some of their US competitors.

AI is part of China's 5 year plan and been given special blessing by Xi Jinping directly.

That pretty much translates to blank checks from the party without much oversight or expected ROI. The approach is basically brute forcing something into existence rather than organically letting it grow. China is notorious for this approach, ghost cities, high speed rail to nowhere, solar panel production in the face of a huge glut.

Ultimately though, there is an expectation that AI will serve the goals of the party, after all it is their trillions that will be funding it. I guess the core difference is that in the US AI is expected to generate profit, in China it is expected to generate controlled social cohesion.

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