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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by sandworm101 »

close04 wrote: post #111
rob74 wrote: post #43

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Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

> I have to admit that your friend has a point Do they? "Many humans" would hit that? The humans in the car spotted the debris at least 8s before the impact. I don't think any humans would hit that in broad daylight unless they were asleep, completely drunk, or somehow managed to not look at the road for a full 10s. These are the worst drivers, and there aren't that many because the punishment can go up to criminal c…

Or they would hit it if they were busy fiddling with the car's autodrive system. These humans would have avoided it had they not wasted time speculating about whether the autodrive system would save them. They would have been safer in literally any other car that didnt have an autodrive.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by potato3732842 »

comrade1234 wrote: post #58
general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

I just got back from a trip to the USA where I spent about five days driving around Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin and the number of shredded truck tires on the highways was flabbergasting. From what I understand, in the USA when a truck tire wears down they put a new layer of tread on it. But it doesn't seem to work very well as it eventually peels off.

Those are called retreads and they are not uncommon worldwide. If you're seeing anything other than long thin strips of tread on the road it's not a retread related failure.

Every now and then the Karens get to screeching about it and it reaches a critical mass and the NHTSA does a study and they find that most of the debris you're seeing has nothing to do with retreads. Here's the summary of a recent one:

https://www.moderntiredealer.com/industry-news/commercial-bu...

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by jebarker »

asah wrote: post #71
iwontberude wrote: post #20

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the problem is that TSLA (the company) is pivoting hard to humanoid robots, which is a relatively easier problem, perfectly big market and Musk is a terrific salesguy. Medium/long term, humanoid robots are commodity but so were electric cars and TSLA (the stock) rode that to glory.

> which is a relatively easier problem

I hope they don’t believe that…

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by bilbo0s »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #81
mhh__ wrote: post #51

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If it's not your money does it matter? I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't deliver anything e.g. he did cars, rockets, and now AI (the rate X are building out training capacity is genuinely astonishing) at the same time.

Yes it does matter. Money thrown away on his lies is money that isn’t invested on real projects.

I think the point is that if it's his money he's pissing away, then any other projects the money would have been spent on would have been equally dubious in any case. He's not going to, all of a sudden, become wise simply because he doesn't spend money on what he's spending money on.

Did we give him wayyy too much free money via subsidies? Yes. But that was our mistake. And if we hadn't given it to him, we would have given it to some other scam artists somewhere or other. So even in the case of the counterfactual, we could expect a similar outcome. Just different scumbags.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by ACCount37 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #108
SillyUsername wrote: post #60

A lot of apologists say that "a human would have hit that". That's kind of irrelevant, this technology is meant to be safer and held to a higher standard. Comparing to a human is not a valid excuse...

> That's kind of irrelevant, this technology is meant to be safer and held to a higher standard I don't think that is the case. We will judge FSD whether you make more or less accidents than humans, not necessarily in the same situations. The computer is allowed to make mistakes that a human wouldn't, if in reverse the computer makes a lot less mistakes in situations where humans would. Given that >90% of accidents a…

That's the main advantage self-driving has over humans now.

A self-driving car of today still underperforms the top of the line human driver - but it sure outperforms the "0.1% worst case": the dumbest most inebriated sleep deprived and distracted reckless driver that's responsible for the vast majority of severe road accidents.

Statistics show it plain and clear: self-driving cars already get into less accidents than humans, and the accidents they get into are much less severe too. Their performance is consistently mediocre. Being unable to drink and drive is a big part of where their safety edge comes from.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by Bengalilol »

motiw wrote: post #59

Would lidar detect such debris?

Yes. Everything that is/has a volume gets detected. The problem with the camera thing is that the debris doesn't move, is quite small and is dark. I suspect it overran it because of maybe a fix/patch on this behavior: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1kwrc7p/23_my_wit...

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by amelius »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #75
agildehaus wrote: post #64

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The humans in the vehicle spotted it fine, and we should not tolerate self-driving systems that are only as good as the worst of us.

> and we should not tolerate self-driving systems that are as good as the worst of us The person you replied to didn't do that, though: > But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road ahead, able to identify dangerous debris, and react accordingly. So, different pair of shoes...

They never said they did.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by peterfirefly »

tedggh wrote: post #95
general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

It depends where in the US you drive. It’s a big country with independent state governments. It’s like saying I was driving in Romania and I was shocked by how bad European highways are. I lived in Texas and the stuff I saw on the highway was crazy, vacuum cleaners, decorated Christmas trees and refrigerators. Most parts of the country interstate and highway systems are pretty clean.

Romania has pretty good highways now.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

general1465 wrote: post #104
zwaps wrote: post #79

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Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones? Have you compared distances?

You don't need to drive far, just get on a US highway and there is dangerous litter every few hundred meters. In extreme cases it goes down to few dozens meters. Sometimes it was like driving in some Mad Max movie.

Litter? Sure. Dangerous litter? Every few hundred meters? No. Not sure where you're driving, but no, that's not in general the way US highways are.

I mean, I have seen some dangerous things. Not at the rate you describe, though. Not even close.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by AlotOfReading »

bananapub wrote: post #114
petermcneeley wrote: post #61

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And yet the humans detected it without lidar?

they're making fun of Tesla, which stopped putting radar (ed: I misremembered, thanks to the commenter below) in their cars during the pandemic when it got expensive and instead of saying "we can't afford it", claimed it's actually better to not have lidar and just rely on cameras

Tesla has never had LIDAR on production cars, only mapping/ground truth and test vehicles. It was radar that disappeared during the pandemic.
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