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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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The democracy stopped functioning a while ago, this is just the bills being presented.

Unless you mean the electoral college overriding popular vote nonsense, and disproportionate Senate power, which was there since the beginning, I don't know what you mean. The voters apparently wanted more of this per the Nov 2024 elections, when we still had a credible election process.

There was evidence of voting machine fraud, though.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of: - American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker? Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of h…

Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work? When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask. > It means less focus in the US which eventually will just become sales and marketing only with perhaps some smaller departme…

> Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work? > When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask.

I was in the process of moving one engineer from Dubai to Manchester, probably all in the process is £20,000-£30,000 overall, spread over several years.

South Asia is India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Predominantly this is India and Pakistan though.

> As an American I'm curious about this, can you expand on how this will happen or how you think it might happen?

Best guess, those software engineering departments with predominantly South Asian engineers will cease to exist, they'll buy real estate in London/Sydney which is a much better long term investment because London prices always go up.

Severance is also REALLY easy in the US compared to countries where actual labour laws exist.

Sales and Marketing will stay, they probably need that American presence, they don't need that in software engineering because the Internet exists.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of: - American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker? Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of h…

> This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. A sudden $100,000 per year increase on every H1B salary is a big deal.

$0 is smaller than $100,000

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes.

There are a fair bit of international flights in the 10-12 hour range. Add some time to pack, get to airport, baggage check, get through security & how the flight times line up and this seems calculated in a way that is precisely not doable. Never mind people not perpetually online and only seeing this a couple hours later

Meanwhile there is to my knowledge no reason why this couldn't have been 48 hours. Still fast, but doable for anyone suitably determined.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This is just cruel and inhumane and solves no issue that I can think of.

The cruelty is the point. It's consistent with the rest of their policy decisions.

God Bless Murica. They need it.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work? When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask. > It means less focus in the US which eventually will just become sales and marketing only with perhaps some smaller departme…

> Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work? > When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask. I was in the process of moving one engineer from Dubai to Manchester, probably all in the process is £20,000-£30,000 over…

Thanks for expanding. I thought you were referring to roughly the same locations in South Asia but I wasn't sure. I appreciate it.

I was reading just the other day that some US companies have been spending lavishly on office space in the City of London [1].

[1] No paywall https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/commercial/apple-citadel-and...

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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H1Bs are slave labor and the program is used primarily by sweat shop consultancies who pay them less than Americans. This will be incredible for Americans looking for work. They don't have to compete with artificially cheap workers.

When I think of slavery I usually think of working for free, not H1B tech worker salaries which are insanely high on a global scale. It's also something people actively sign up for.

The free part of slavery is about freedom, not payment. It was not uncommon for enslaved people to buy their way out of enslavement.

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>Some employers have exploited the program to hold down wages, disadvantaging U.S. workers, Change "Some" to "All major employers". I worked at a fortune 500 company in IT and all they hired were H1B employees over the past 15/20 years. The last raise we got that was above inflation and health insurance increases was before 2000. I left 2 years ago and after I left they fired almost everyone in the IT Dept I was in a…

As someone who previously worked in US with H1Bs who were making well over half a million, I doubt your statement. I have moved out of the US a few years back though.

But regardless, I sincerely hope this policy sticks without any loopholes. This policy will only incentivise companies to move more of their operations to other countries and only keep the bare minimum in US to keep their US business thriving.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Anecdotally, although I'm sure it's happening to more people.

I'm Brazilian, I work in the US on H1-B. I'm on vacations in Brazil with my wife and kids, one in school age.

I also came to renew my visa stamp, as I had my extension approved not long ago. My visa is valid from September 21st, so, same day as this proclamation takes effect. And I can't go back before that because my visa is not valid.

My flight was scheduled for tomorrow, and I would land in US by Sep 22nd. Of course, I rescheduled that to not lose my ticket.

I left food in the freezer, car in the garage, and my son is missing classes. And all my family's stuff in the house. Now, I have no idea what will happen, I can't go in to get my things. At least the company is giving support, and I couldn't be more thankful.

But the thing that makes me sadder is the blatant racism towards my Indian friends, reddit and x was swarmed by an army of people that was enabled to call them... whatever they want... It's a good time to be offline now.

The H1-B program has its problems, and I understand the whole frustration with the job market, but this is not they way to solve anything.

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