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Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by teknofobi »

lavela wrote: post #116

Welp, so there goes another ecosystem I considered exploring. What almost surprises me the most, is that such a mature ecosystem still doesn't have a formalized governance structure after all this time. How common is this among large and widely-used open source projects?

Problem with package managers are they are quite expensive to run, so hard to manage in an otherwise open source ecosystem. There was some controversy around NPM before the GitHub acquisition https://www.businessinsider.com/npm-cofounder-laurie-voss-re..., which I guess is the exact problem a non-profit such as RubyCentral tried to solve.

I would GitHub would be quite well-positioned to set up infrastructure around a fork of RubyGems if things fall apart.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by x0x0 »

byroot wrote: post #36
tremon wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All we got right now is one side of the story That's because Ruby Central chooses not to communicate. I'm not going to reserve judgment against intentionally mute hostile actors.

Organizations are necessarily slower to communicate than individuals, give them a couple days. People need to chill out before jumping to conclusions like that.

They couldn't email longtime contributors with a heads up, here's whats happening before revoking commit rights and making changes like this? That's nonsense.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by morpheuskafka »

For those like me who are not Ruby users/devs, it might be good to explain who exactly Ruby Central is? I assumed they were analogous to Python Soft Foundation or Linux Foundation etc. as the entity of maintainers/owners/whatever of Ruby.

But it seems that they have nothing to do with the ruby-lang.org site where the Ruby binaries itself are distributed. Instead, their own site appears to primarily list them as responsible for organizing an annual conference?

And who owned the RubyGems infrastructure before this takeover? The website (and domain that the client actually calls to get the gems, presumably) seem to have already been part of Ruby Central, so what exactly changed here ownership wise, beyond just kicking the maintainers?

(unrelated -- seeing a mention of DHH here reminded me that I haven't seen anything of the Matt/WP drama in a long time on HN -- time to go Google whatever the resolution of that was)

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by the_hangman »

krmbzds wrote: post #93
woodruffw wrote: post #85

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Your last sentence reads like a weird swipe: as best I can tell, there's no cultural war dimension to this whatsoever?

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It's been a while but if memory serves me correctly the controversy at that time was actually about him unilaterally deciding that people at basecamp shouldn't be talking about politics in off-topic slack channels after people started trying to organize support for something he didn't agree with. IIRC something like 1/3 of the company quit at that time

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by kubectl_h »

mijoharas wrote: post #97
mperham wrote: post #94

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I clarified the toot.

Thanks Mike, I editted, and asked this: > Why do the maintainers have a problem with this? I thought the stated reason was about RC removing everyone's access with no warning. I seem to remember some of DHH's controversy due to banning politics at basecamp or something. Is it related to that?

https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

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Post by prh8 »

mijoharas wrote: post #108
baggy_trough wrote: post #103

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In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

This is only one of many examples over years of DHH’s ideology. Analyzing this one instance (the most recent) does not change anything, this is a drop in a bucket

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by lstodd »

bakugo wrote: post #113
mijoharas wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks Mike, I editted, and asked this: > Why do the maintainers have a problem with this? I thought the stated reason was about RC removing everyone's access with no warning. I seem to remember some of DHH's controversy due to banning politics at basecamp or something. Is it related to that?

> I seem to remember some of DHH's controversy due to banning politics at basecamp or something. Is it related to that? I wouldn't be surprised. The presence of this quote in the linked document: > A person’s character is determined not only by their actions, but also the actions they stay silent while witnessing. Suggests that the person who wrote it is deeply obsessed with political activism.

Inaction is an action in itself, they are right in this. IDK where you see a deep obsession in a recognition of this obvious fact.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by cogman10 »

wild_egg wrote: post #127
mijoharas wrote: post #108

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In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

No dog in this race but, as an outsider, it's always seemed really odd that some countries (Japan sticks out) are allowed to prioritize cultural preservation but European countries are not.

There aren't a whole lot of people celebrating Japan's immigration policies. Further, their policies have been around for quite some time. It's one thing to continue enforcing decades old policies and quite another to create those same policies today.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by vintagedave »

bradgessler wrote: post #43
RobotToaster wrote: post #30

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Someone with absolutely no technical background, a recipe for disaster.

Rhiannon worked with Ruby Central for a bit, left a few weeks ago, and just shared this: https://bsky.app/profile/rhiannon.io/post/3lz6zcflg2s26

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