Sorry but I'm not going to sponsor you stealing a company's trademark.
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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
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Indeed. I once had a former friend say something to the effect of "I wish there were a candidate who had a healthy balance of libertarian values and compassion". I asked him how he reconciles those to diametrically-opposed concepts and he grumbled and we're no longer friends.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
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Please do not accuse anyone of "hate" for having a different opinion and expressing it in a way that you do not like. Btw, I donated.
The sad reality that you had to tell your stance by saying that you donated in this context otherwise people would've considered you an (anti deno?) in this lawsuit... I think our actions speak louder than words. Yes, I think we shouldn't spread hate speech and everyone has their own biases. We should all preferably write comments in good faith hoping to learn something new from the others point of view. So this was…
> If somebody is bringing their personal VC sucks vendetta
It’s very hard not to chuckle at their choice of website to express those views
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#134Can’t deno afford $200k without any help?
Its to raise awareness
They could set a smaller target or ask for 1-dollar donations if they’re after maximum exposure. Here’s hoping they actually donate the entire raised amount to a non-profit, because yeah I don’t get the feeling they need the money at all.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
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if they dont do this, there wont be an opportunity for another case..
Well that is an urgency that Deno folks created. So it seems the deed is done. > After more than 27,000 people signed our open letter to Oracle about the “JavaScript” trademark, we filed a formal Cancellation Petition with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Ten months in, we’re finally reaching the crucial discovery phase. - Ryan Dahl You can't make this up. If I was Larry Ellison I would be calling Deno folks perso…
Exactly this. Poor judgement on the part of Deno's leaders.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#136I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
> If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money.
I think the order here is reversed: If you ask the public for money, it's fair to perform a public service. If you just do something you wanted to do anyways, and probably would have done anyways, then it might be viewed as less-than-charitable to ask others for money to help you achieve your goal for yourself (even if other people might benefit somewhat too). Especially when you are far richer (like 100+ times richer) than the people you're asking for money.
As a volunteer organizer for a weekly meetup that helps local entrepreneurs, I and my team have never "asked the public for money". Occasionally we have private companies that like what we do and throw some money our way for coffee. It turns out that passion and effort from volunteers and attendees and other members of the startup community are the critical parts of the meetup, and money is not.
So, that gets me wondering what could be done with those $200k besides pay people to get agreement on one particular word being free-er to use. For example, that would fund coffee and breakfast for the meetup for hundreds of years, perhaps even forever. Or fund plenty of other charitable causes with a direct positive impact on people.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#137Shower thought conspiracy theory: If the lawsuit looks like it might succeed, Oracle could make it disappear by ... buying Deno. Is their end goal to free javascript or is it to find an exit?
Oof, fair point. How many people would be able to refuse such an offer? Go live on an island and never have to work again, starting a new project if you get bored, or... keep working on Deno?
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Grow up. And accept that both have merit. You may not like it but there's a reason languages, tools, companies, products, whatever become popular. And it isn't just because "people are idiots" or evil companies. Console wars are for teenagers.
You lack imagination and ambition.
Of course they have merits. But, so what? I didn't dedicate my life to this field to build things that "have merit", but to build great things. And we have great things. It's just that neither Oracle nor JavaScript are among them.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#139I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
It's PR. First the petition and now this fundraiser. Sorry but it feels more like a stunt than anything sincere otherwise they would front the money. They certainly have the funds for it.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#140I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.
Anecdotally I don't know anyone who cares in the slightest bit about that. It's a name that has been used for a long time, and there have been lots of weird, strange name out there for software, but people just use it and move on.
No, it still causes confusion from new programmers, HR, execs who thinks JavaScript === writing Java Scripts.
We're all in on TypeScript now and I don't think they're teaching Java much in university or boot camps anymore so it doesn't matter much anyway. But when every other intern came in thinking programming WAS Java.... Not great. Having to never utter "JavaScript" again wasn't the primary motivation to move to TS, but it is a nice side benefit.
NB: But I had an intern say to me one day "did you know TypeScript is just JavaScript with types and a linter?" And I just smiled.