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Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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kentonv wrote: post #123
m463 wrote: post #117

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reminds me of jslint author added "must be used for good, not evil" to the license ...and IBM asked for an exception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSLint#License https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5138866 note that restricting use of software makes it non-free gpl-wise. RMS said the GPL does not restrict rights of the USER of software, just that when the software is redistributed, the rights are passed along.

Good old Douglas Crockford. He also put the "must be used for good, not evil" restriction on JSON, which he invented. Obviously JSON is used for all kinds of evil, though. A much younger, more naive me (~20 years ago) actually emailed him to complain about the ambiguous terms and he replied saying something to the effect of "It's obviously unenforceable, get over it."

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Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

astrange wrote: post #97
chrsw wrote: post #44

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Can we trust this though? “Cooperate with us and we’ll leak fake stories about how frustrated we are with you as cover”. And I’m not singling out Anthropic. None of these companies or governments (i.e. people) can be trusted at face value.

They don't do that. They're not capable of cooperating with anyone, it's maximum punishment all the time. It's unclear if they can keep secrets either.

Yeah, and a private capitulation doesn't accomplish their goals either. They want the spectacle of public submission.

Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by adastra22 »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #130
adastra22 wrote: post #114

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A big part of what?

https://ai-2027.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_onqn68GHY One of the stages was gov/military personnel became dependent on AI for decision making.

So.. a sci-fi short story?

Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

adastra22 wrote: post #133
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #130

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https://ai-2027.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_onqn68GHY One of the stages was gov/military personnel became dependent on AI for decision making.

So.. a sci-fi short story?

That is the sarcastic take.

More generously, 'an Expert-Driven forecast that offers a possible extrapolation' or possible realistic scenario.

Parts of it seem to be coming true already, parts of it are dependent on some technology breakthroughs that haven't happened.

Forecasting mileage may vary

Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by j2kun »

Terretta wrote: post #77
j2kun wrote: post #51

The US government can train their own damn LLM if they want an unrestricted one so bad.

Billions, versus "I'll buy that for a dollar." https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/anthropic-o...

Exactly. If you aren't willing to pay the costs, then deal with the terms.

Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by baggy_trough »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #121
baggy_trough wrote: post #61

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I should think that it was very obvious that America does not have a dictatorial government; this is hyperbole.

It's very obvious that America has a dictatorial government, and I'm baffled why you would deny this. The dictator-in-chief has argued explicitly and repeatedly that the written laws of the land don't constrain him; he can shut down departments Congress ordered him to run, levy taxes they didn't authorize, and overrule or rewrite any statute he feels isn't correct. He seized 10% of Intel Corporation without even a fi…

The reason that I would deny it is that your claims are greatly exaggerated.

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Post by 0x457 »

dgfitz wrote: post #91
axus wrote: post #59

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A classic: THIS SOFTWARE PRODUCT MAY CONTAIN SUPPORT FOR PROGRAMS WRITTEN IN JAVA. JAVA TECHNOLOGY IS NOT FAULT TOLERANT AND IS NOT DESIGNED, MANUFACTURED, OR INTENDED FOR USE OR RESALE AS ONLINE CONTROL EQUIPMENT IN HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRING FAILSAFE PERFORMANCE, SUCH AS IN THE OPERATION OF NUCLEAR FACILITIES, AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, DIRECT LIFE SUPPORT MACHINES, OR…

Look up DoD (DoW?) 882 and LOR ratings. This is a fancy way of saying “Java can’t do that because we haven’t certified a toolchain for it” And for bonus points, go find the last certified compilers for LOR1 rating that follow 882 guidelines. Now you’ve scratched the surface of safety-critical software. Actually writing it is a blast. I think most web developers would weep in frustration. “Wait, I can’t allocate memor…

Most web developers don't know what "memory allocation" is and let alone how to manually allocate it.

I think people that don't write safety-critical software in general will weep in frustration, not just web developers.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

baggy_trough wrote: post #136
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #121

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It's very obvious that America has a dictatorial government, and I'm baffled why you would deny this. The dictator-in-chief has argued explicitly and repeatedly that the written laws of the land don't constrain him; he can shut down departments Congress ordered him to run, levy taxes they didn't authorize, and overrule or rewrite any statute he feels isn't correct. He seized 10% of Intel Corporation without even a fi…

The reason that I would deny it is that your claims are greatly exaggerated.

Now I know you're lying, but I don't understand why. It's widely known, for example, that USAID is shut down. You can go to their site and see that they're shut down. What do you think you're going to gain by lying to me about such easily verifiable facts?

Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by baggy_trough »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #138
baggy_trough wrote: post #136

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The reason that I would deny it is that your claims are greatly exaggerated.

Now I know you're lying, but I don't understand why. It's widely known, for example, that USAID is shut down. You can go to their site and see that they're shut down. What do you think you're going to gain by lying to me about such easily verifiable facts?

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Re: Anthropic irks White House with limits on models’ use

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

baggy_trough wrote: post #139
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #138

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Now I know you're lying, but I don't understand why. It's widely known, for example, that USAID is shut down. You can go to their site and see that they're shut down. What do you think you're going to gain by lying to me about such easily verifiable facts?

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Trump just announced that broadcasters who are against him should have their network license revoked! My patience with you has run out, so don't expect any further response, but I remain utterly baffled by this phenomenon of people who think it's "paranoid" or "hyperbole" to believe the president's official announcements about what he wants and what he plans to do. I understand that you don't perceive yourself to be an apologist for fascism - like other people I've met, you seem to genuinely believe that it's paranoid to accurately report what the President is doing and savvy to instead make up a fictional president who does less alarming things for more sympathetic reasons. But why? It's just absurd.
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