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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by toasterlovin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99
rogerrogerr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re not sexually active, is it still worth doing?

Yes. “The route of HPV transmission is primarily through skin-to-skin or skin-to-mucosa contact. Sexual transmission is the most documented, but there have been studies suggesting non-sexual courses. The horizontal transfer of HPV includes fomites, fingers, and mouth, skin contact (other than sexual). Self-inoculation is described in studies as a potential HPV transmission route, as it was certified in female virgins…

Right, but do the vaccines help against the strains of HPV that are transmitted via non-sexual contact? The vaccine being 9-valent implies (to me, a layman) that strains need to be targeted fairly specifically in order for vaccination to be effective.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by justin66 »

Bjartr wrote: post #122
LorenPechtel wrote: post #114

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Why is this getting downvoted? It's obviously humor!

More importantly, it does not add to the conversation. If humor alone is what you want, head to Reddit. Humor is welcome here, but it needs to have some substance behind it.

Unlike the three comments above, my bad joke distracted from the thrust of the conversation. Ahem.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by bsder »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #121
hedora wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to my local megacorp pharmacy out here in California, and asked about the COVID vaccine that’s no longer recommended by our anti-vaxxer overlords. Apparently, it’s about as easy to get as an old-school medical marijuana card. Results vary by state though. No need to travel to Canada or Mexico (yet).

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1) If your wife was having a high risk pregnancy and couldn't get vaccinated, she really shouldn't have been working on the front lines during Covid, anyway.

2) Take a look in the mirror and try blaming the people who have made "getting a vaccine" a culture war political statement rather than something routine and uncontroversial. If vaccines were uncontroversial, medical exemptions from them would also be rare and uncontroversial.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by boxerab »

jacobgorm wrote: post #113
boxerab wrote: post #97

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Doesn't answer the question. Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate over those who didn't get it. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/3/e000707

That study is small, observation based and controversial, and the researchers have data from a randomized follow up study that they have been keeping secret for the last 14 years. The coverage of the controversy has mostly been in Danish media, despite these hacks advising the current US administration. See https://www.sensible-med.com/p/the-false-narrative-of-nonspe... for a writeup in English.

And yet, this is a valid concern for any new drug - does it have a net positive benefit ? And can you guess why DTP was replaced by DTaP in the developed world, while people like Gates and orgs like GAVI are still promoting it in the third world ?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by boxerab »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104
chris_wot wrote: post #25

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Amazing how badly the United States is regressing. Literally measles is making a comeback due to idiots like RFK.

Maybe we’re seeing selection pressure against those prone to addictive cycles of social-media influenced misinformation? Like, anti-vaxers died at higher rates in Covid [1]. This will continue across disease outbreaks, particularly ones for which we have near-comprehensive vaccines like measles. And given antivax sensibility is heritable (through parenting, not genes), one would expect this to stabilize the populatio…

very few people are against vaccines per se, they are just against *unsafe* vaccines. "anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss dissident without having to deal with their arguments i.e an ad hominem. As an analogy, if I object to high levels of mercury in fish, am I anti-fish? or anti-poisonous-fish ?

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by delichon »

boxerab wrote: post #136
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we’re seeing selection pressure against those prone to addictive cycles of social-media influenced misinformation? Like, anti-vaxers died at higher rates in Covid [1]. This will continue across disease outbreaks, particularly ones for which we have near-comprehensive vaccines like measles. And given antivax sensibility is heritable (through parenting, not genes), one would expect this to stabilize the populatio…

very few people are against vaccines per se, they are just against *unsafe* vaccines. "anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss dissident without having to deal with their arguments i.e an ad hominem. As an analogy, if I object to high levels of mercury in fish, am I anti-fish? or anti-poisonous-fish ?

> "anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss dissident without having to deal with their arguments i.e an ad hominem.

A slur.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by loeg »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #111
pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

It's not approved for those over 45. (AFIAK, simply because so few people in that age group would have risk without having had prior exposure. Basically only those who had divorced or lost their long time partner.)

It's not "recommended" but your PCP can prescribe it off-label if you ask -- just ask.
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