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Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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I don't see developed countries to have a "rapidly increasing population" problem.

Practically the whole planet is experiencing population decline now. The poster you're replying to is basing his argument on an obsolete worldview.

This isn't accurate. Birth rates are declining but population is still increasing in most countries.

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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I am confused about how to feel about the data the paper is based on. If you look at the paper, the data description is: "Our primary data source is a detailed LinkedIn-based resume dataset provided by Revelio Labs ... We complement the worker resume data with Revelio’s database of job postings, which tracks recruitment activity by the firms since 2021 ... The final sample consists of 284,974 U.S. firms that were suc…

> For these firms, we observe 156,765,776 positions dating back to 2015 and 245,838,118 job postings since 2021, of which 198,773,384 successfully matched with their raw text description."

I'm obviously misreading this somehow. How do you have 156m positions dating back to 2015, but far more than that number in a smaller timeframe?

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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It's pretty clear this is happening. The question is... is this based on existing capability of LLMs to do these jobs? Or are companies doing this on the expectation that AI is advanced enough to pick up the slack? I have observed a disconnect in which management is typically far more optimistic about AI being capable of performing a specific task than are the workers who currently perform that task. And to what exte…

One issue we're running into at my job: we're struggling to find entry-level candidates who aren't lying about what they know by using an LLM. For the tech side, we've reduced behavioral questions and created an interview that allows people to use cursor, LLMs, etc. in the interview - that way, it's impossible to cheat. We have folks build a feature on a fake code base. Unfortunately, more junior folks now seem to st…

We came up with some simple coding exercises (about 20 minutes total to implement, max) and asked candidates to submit their responses when applying. Turns out one of the questions regularly causes hallucinated APIs in LLM responses, so we've been able to weed out a large percentage of cheaters who didn't even bother to test the code before submitting.

The other part is that you can absolutely tell during a live interview when someone is using an LLM to answer.

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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Interesting. However just because this is true right now doesn't mean it will be true going forward. Unique to the current moment is that there are simultaneously (1) high interest rates and a challenging economy (2) a narrative that AI adoption should enable cutting junior roles. This could lead to companies that would anyway be doing layoffs choosing to lay off or not hire juniors, and replace with AI adoption. To…

>Unique to the current moment is that there are simultaneously (1) high interest rates and a challenging economy (2) a narrative that AI adoption should enable cutting junior roles. I'm not disputing your point, but I'm curious: given that the main headline measures that we tend to see about the US economy right now involve the labour market. How do you establish the counterfactual?

When there are downturns in tech, companies squeeze out junior people. This happens often. After 2008 a whole cohort of top talent from software engineering schools were lucky to get lower paying QA jobs and only a few landed software development positions. There were chief economists for banks writing about the underemployed generation (generalized to all white collar) and how they can’t get started or have the same opportunities.

I think we might be seeing this now but headlines get more clicks with AI taking our jobs.

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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How do they bring more “growth potential” than a mid level developer with 3-5 years of experience? The average tenure of a developer is 2-3 years. I expect that to increase going forward slightly as the job market continues to suck. But why would I care about the growth of the company when my promotion criteria is based on delivering quarterly or yearly goals? Those goals can much more easily be met by paying slightl…

You’re absolutely right that mid-level hires buy immediate productivity. But “growth potential” isn’t just romanticism — it’s an investable trajectory. With the right project design, feedback loops, and domain exposure, juniors can grow into “multipliers” — people who combine technical skills with adaptability or domain expertise. That’s a kind of return you rarely get from simply adding another mid-level hire. In pr…

Of course I meant 3-5 years of experience not 35 years of experience. :) I just edited it.

You’re not “investing” in anyone if their tenure is going to be 2-3 years with the first one doing negative work.

And why should juniors stay? Because of salary compression and inversion, where HR determines raises. But the free market determines comp for new employees, it makes sense for them to jump ship to make more money. I’ve seen this at every company I’ve worked for from startups, to mid size companies, to boring old enterprise companies to BigTech.

Where even managers can’t fight for employees to get raises at market rates. But they can get an open req to pay at market rates when that employee leaves.

And who is incentivize to care about “the organization” when line level managers and even directors or incentivized to care about the next quarter to the next year?

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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As an occasional uni TA, I'm leaning toward banning LLM for easy coursework while allowing it on more difficult & open-ended ones. Pretty sure it's a self-destructive move for a CS or software engineering student to pass foundational courses like discrete math, intro to programming, algorithm & data structure using LLM. You can't learn how to write if all you do is read. LLM will 1-shot the homework, and the student…

Exactly. When I was in school even in 80's, it was common to have to hand write out a program during an exam. You had to know stuff in the old days.

I hand-wrote code in the late 00s. Java, assembly, C. The graders gave us some grace since we couldn't test, but you were expected to be pretty accurate. Hell, one quiz was just 20 identical pages on which we iterated through the Tomasulo algorithm.

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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post #132

I am confused about how to feel about the data the paper is based on. If you look at the paper, the data description is: "Our primary data source is a detailed LinkedIn-based resume dataset provided by Revelio Labs ... We complement the worker resume data with Revelio’s database of job postings, which tracks recruitment activity by the firms since 2021 ... The final sample consists of 284,974 U.S. firms that were suc…

> For these firms, we observe 156,765,776 positions dating back to 2015 and 245,838,118 job postings since 2021, of which 198,773,384 successfully matched with their raw text description." I'm obviously misreading this somehow. How do you have 156m positions dating back to 2015, but far more than that number in a smaller timeframe?

I think it is just poorly worded. From another point in the paper:

"Our analysis draws on a new dataset that combines LinkedIn resume and job-posting data from Revelio Labs. The dataset covers nearly 285,000 U.S. firms, more than 150 million employment spells from roughly 62 million unique workers between 2015 and 2025, and over 245 million job postings."

I guess we can read that as saying the authors identified 62 million workers who held 150 million positions over the 2015-2025 time window.

I'm still deeply skeptical about the underlying data. The 62 million represents a huge percentage of employed people in the U.S. in any of the years 2015-2025. This source shows 148 million/yr to 164 million/yr employed over that timeframe:

  https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/
On the other hand, I also saw estimates saying LinkedIn has approximately 30% of the U.S. workforce with a profile on the platform. Which is wild to me.

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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post #119

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>It's not hard if the company cares at all. It's pretty hard for a non-big tech company to pay big tech level salaries.

And most of my friends and colleagues would take a full remote role that pays half what big tech, 5 days in office pays. Add in an extra week of PTO and you have a great pitch to devs.

I'll believe it when I see it reflected in applicant resumes. (east coast tech firm)

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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You’re absolutely right that mid-level hires buy immediate productivity. But “growth potential” isn’t just romanticism — it’s an investable trajectory. With the right project design, feedback loops, and domain exposure, juniors can grow into “multipliers” — people who combine technical skills with adaptability or domain expertise. That’s a kind of return you rarely get from simply adding another mid-level hire. In pr…

Of course I meant 3-5 years of experience not 35 years of experience. :) I just edited it. You’re not “investing” in anyone if their tenure is going to be 2-3 years with the first one doing negative work. And why should juniors stay? Because of salary compression and inversion, where HR determines raises. But the free market determines comp for new employees, it makes sense for them to jump ship to make more money. I…

I hear you — salary compression and inversion, along with short tenure, are very real structural problems. It’s understandable that managers and even directors end up focused only on the next quarter.

My broader point is that when these short-term incentives dominate, organizations (and societies) lose the capacity to build for the long term. That’s exactly why governance frameworks matter: they help create safeguards against purely short-term dynamics — whether in HR policy or in AI policy.

Re: Generative AI as Seniority-Biased Technological Change

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Practically the whole planet is experiencing population decline now. The poster you're replying to is basing his argument on an obsolete worldview.

This isn't accurate. Birth rates are declining but population is still increasing in most countries.

Birth rates are of course the only thing which matters. If your car runs out of gas, it will still roll for a small stretch, but it is irrelevant.
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