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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by xg15 »

tguvot wrote: post #50
orwin wrote: post #36

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> I find it funny people still find the UN legitimate. They still haven't criticised Hamas attack I find it funny that you have to lie so much. They did, it's easy to find. My father is from a Christian orphanage in east Jerusalem. My grandmother hosted sisters and priests from Israel who worked in schools, hospice and orphanage all over the two countries. UN school programs there had a lot of issues, but being relig…

UNRWA schoolbooks for you: https://www.impact-se.org/wp-content/uploads/UNRWA-Education... and first UN general assembly resolution condemning hamas attack is the one from the past week that speaks about recognition of palestinian state. unless you can find different one

I can't refute all their findings, but it's still worth looking at the board of that org:

https://www.impact-se.org/about-us/impact-se-board-members/

For an organization ostensibly concerned with education to violence everywhere, that's a LOT of board members with direct connections to Israel.

I also think it's common sense that if an occupying force deliberately ensures your living conditions become ever worse, shoots your friends and family to death for throwing stones and eventually obliterates entire families, that you don't exactly need textbooks to develop hatred.

As for "from the Nile to the Euphrates", just ask Daniella Weiss: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-10-21/ty-article-ma...

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by flyinglizard »

_l7dh wrote: post #33

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The UN discredits itself: UNGA 2015-2023, 154 resolutions against Israel, 71 against all other countries _combined_.

Of course it stems from the anti-Israeli bias of its members: a single Jewish state against 57 Muslim states.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

buellerbueller wrote: post #106
dotancohen wrote: post #88

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The war could stop at any minute, if only Netanyahu stops it.

Why would Netanyahu stop the war? It is the only pressure on Hamas.

The way war usually works, is the side that feels it has something to loose, sues for peace by making concessions. However the international backing of Hamas has ensured them that they have nothing to loose, and everything to gain, by attacking the Jewish state.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dlubarov »

beloch wrote: post #87
therobots927 wrote: post #60

I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

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Post by jcranmer »

dotancohen wrote: post #126
s5300 wrote: post #115

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I'd have to check, but I think Israel has killed more children in the past two years than Hamas killed Israelis on October 7. Israel has killed something like 30-40x the number of civilians in the same timeframe.

Hamas is a bunch of evil people. That doesn't justify descending to their level of butchery to exterminate them, especially not when you are so much more efficient at that butchery.

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Post by epolanski »

dotancohen wrote: post #129
epolanski wrote: post #112

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While you do have points that these UN bodies do seem to sleep more often than not, one should never, under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity. A friend of mine is in the Red Cross staff, they had more than 20 casualties since 2021 in Palestine. Their staff was literally shot at because they were doctors. It's sickening.

Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? I'll help you with that. It's not the side that would regularly take Gazan children into Israel for medical treatment before the Gazans started a war against Israeli children. Or do Israeli children mean nothing? Because I personally know two women whose children were burned to death on October 7th.

> Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors?

The one shooting doctors.

What happened on October 7 has been a tragedy. 38 children died that day, and you know two of the mothers. I can't even relate with their suffering, in no way I can understand their pain like you do.

But I don't know either any mothers of the 32'000 killed and wounded on the other side.

"One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this."

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by breppp »

sirbutters wrote: post #66
therobots927 wrote: post #60

I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

nemomarx wrote: post #99
dotancohen wrote: post #88

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As far as I understand, they've made many offers to release the hostages in exchange for their own people or for other concessions. You can track the negotiations pretty well, although occasionally the diplomats get bombed for some reason.

Diplomats - who don't even live in the strip - were recently (unsuccessfully) bombed.

If Hamas wants to end the war (or supposed genocide) then they can release the hostages with no additional demands. The fact that the supposed genocide victims choose to continue the war is quite the sign that this is not genocide, in what other situation would a victim choose to continue a war that is a genocide against his people?

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