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Grapevine canes can be converted into plastic-like material that will decompose

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Re: Grapevine canes can be converted into plastic-like material that will decompose

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I quit using bags for produce--I just put the produce in my basket or cart and then straight into the checkout bag on my way out of the store. The exception is small loose produce like snap peas.

Ugh. That's a REALLY bad idea for anything that you don't thoroughly cook.

I hate to break it to you, but the loose produce in store isn't clean. That's why you must wash produce before you eat it.

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It's a miraculous thing corporations have done convincing us that we're the ones polluting the environment.

Corporations don't do things that people don't want to pay for. The entire purpose of their existence is to provide products to customers that want them. The miraculous thing is people eschewing responsibility by putting blaming the person selling products to the people that want them. If ot weren't for all those drug dealers, we wouldn't have any addicts.

> The entire purpose of their existence is

to make money.

Customers wanting or not the product is only one of the path to that. Aligning with competitors to avoid profit reducing change to the market is one way to optimize for money while giving the middle finger to customers.

> people eschewing responsibility by putting blaming the person selling

Eschewing the responsibility of companies with money flow the size of a small nation, crazy marketing budgets, plenty access to lobbying and political power at an international level is way worse in my book.

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Do you write down the result? How is the process connected? Smart produce scales log weight => Smart checkout scales compare weight to produce logs?

Write down -what- result. You put the bag on the scale, it then sets this amount to 0.0 You put the product on the scale, (say 500g of apples), It shows 500g. You remove the bag, it takes off 4g, you add the bag it puts on 4g. There is no need to write down the result.

In the US, produce is rarely weighted and labeled in the produce section with the bag. Only at checkout is it weighed for sale, so no opportunity to tare the container.

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Ugh. That's a REALLY bad idea for anything that you don't thoroughly cook.

That's such an American fear. Wash it (as you should anyways) and you'll be fine ...

Just wash some forever checmicals over the pesticides, that'll do the job. Jokes aside, i raw dog with a quick wash and im yet to have caught covid so it cant be that bad.

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It's a miraculous thing corporations have done convincing us that we're the ones polluting the environment.

I've been down this road before, and been brutally downvoted, but I'll say it again: - corporations are responsible for creating products which can be recycled; - the consumer is responsible for proper disposal of their waste, and also for electing officials who have actual policies on reducing or eliminating pollution; - local government is responsible for setting up recycling centers, and for enforcing correct beha…

dudes never heard of industrial waste :D ^^^ ?

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30mpg, 10 miles, means two pounds of gasoline, 910grams, knock off or add 100g for ethanol per your preference, a google says about 5grams per bag, so nearly 200 bags. Nowhere close to 10k, but nontrivial. And, this gets reduced and sometimes outright negated if you reuse the bag. Doesn't mean we shouldn't evaluate if plastic shopping bags are the beat choice though. I don't think replacing them with store bought dog…

I think your math is wrong. Most of modern cars do up to 150g of CO2 per 100km, there are other emissions too, but they are in way smaller numbers.

I think the units there are off, a Camry hybrid is about 100g direct CO2 per km. One widely repeated calculation has total direct + indirect emissions for a grocery bag at 200g. So 1km driven vs 1 bag is a similar magnitude of emissions.

Re: Grapevine canes can be converted into plastic-like material that will decompose

#137

It's a miraculous thing corporations have done convincing us that we're the ones polluting the environment.

I've been down this road before, and been brutally downvoted, but I'll say it again: - corporations are responsible for creating products which can be recycled; - the consumer is responsible for proper disposal of their waste, and also for electing officials who have actual policies on reducing or eliminating pollution; - local government is responsible for setting up recycling centers, and for enforcing correct beha…

It’s not a radical thought to hold corporations accountable after they have limited our choices and controlled markets. So many things most Americans buy are manufactured needs so built into the culture that we think we need it. Proctor and gamble have written books about strategy that synthesize a market.

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#138

It's a miraculous thing corporations have done convincing us that we're the ones polluting the environment.

I grapple with this all the time. my wife is very eco-conscious and will scrub out a deeply moldy glass jar just to recycle it (whether the recycling system works is a separate issue here). On one hand there is some truth to the fact that if we all just work together to do the right thing the world is a much better place to live in. Sometimes i don't want to do this (scrub gross shit out) because i'm lazy, other time…

If you have a dishwasher that will get the jar plenty clean to be recycled and not smell up your house while it's waiting to be taken out.

Re: Grapevine canes can be converted into plastic-like material that will decompose

#139
I’ve worked for two refining companies. They aren’t about to rebuild their global infrastructure to make this happen…it doesn’t matter what possible, it’s what corporations can buy out politicians and the rich building a society that benefits them.

Re: Grapevine canes can be converted into plastic-like material that will decompose

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I would kill for this for when I’m buying fresh produce at the shops. Right now I just raw dog the produce into my basket as putting 4 apples into a plastic bag to ease the weighing and transport home seems like a selfish thing to do to the environment, but something that starts to break down soon after that sounds great.

Why don’t you bring plastic bags from home? They are very much reusable, you don’t have to throw them out. They are also quite easy to fold into small shapes and keep on you, or your car, or whatever. I have plastic bags which have endured for literal years. I also decided early on that if I forget to bring a bag, I either do without or have to go back to get one. You start remembering really fast after a few times o…

I have a cupboard full of bags at home I can reuse. It's right next to my door. Really easy to get to.

75% of the time I forget to take a bag to my car.

As well as all the single use bags (paper and plastic) I bought, I also have jute bags that I got years ago and are still holding up. I like them better as they are bigger and stronger.

Even if I managed to get a bag, the other 75% of the time I forget to take it into the shop and leave it in my car.

Even if I manage all of that, 25% of the time I will end up not having enough bags.

What I would like to see is some kind of deposit system with stronger bags (like my jute bags). Then when I actually remember I can bring them back to the store for someone else to use.

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