Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

dti.domaintools.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 196 posts

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#131

Post by fluoridation »

hetman wrote: post #84
energy123 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China kept backing Khmer Rouge despite the millions dead and even invaded Vietnam to protect them. Amoral, self interested actor at best. There's nothing North Korea could do to their own people to change the support.

In fairness, the US kept indirectly funding the Khmer Rouge even after evidence of their atrocities came to light for their own strategic geopolitical reasons. The realpolitic of international relations very often follows the words of the British prime minister, Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to…

So there is a universe out there where the US would have supported/allied with Nazi Germany had it been convenient?

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#132

Post by jmyeet »

corimaith wrote: post #122
MangoToupe wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read history books like anyone else, the cold war was just straight retarded, and we trained Noriega (at the very school I already linked to). Furthermore just because I want someone to invade and liberate us doesn't mean it's not a violation of international law and sovereignty.

>The cold war was just straight retarded That's not an opinion that most will agree with, certainly from the USSR and the USA's own perspectives. I do wonder the kind of grades one would get if they wrote that down in a history class in any nation. And the more you understand history, both US and the USSR's actions do make perfect sense given their local contexts that most would be making the same decisions in the sa…

There's been a lot of revisionist history with the World War 2 and the Cold War that really understates the USSR's instrumental role in defeating Germany.

Fascism was popular in the US. Henry Ford shared his thoughts by publishing The International Jew [1]. Hitler was a fan. Ford was mentioned by name in Mein Kampf. We had the Business Plot [2] in 1933. There was a Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden in 1939. The German American Bund was present until 1941.

On the other side of the Atlantic, Stalin had initially sought an anti-German alliance with Britain and France but was rebuffed, leading to the deal with Hitler.

The US had ~400,000 casulaties in the European campaign and none really until D-Day in 1944. The USSR lost somewhere between 26 and 30 million people in WW2, something only really revealed by a 1959 census. Had Germany defeated the USSR and taken MOscow in 1941-1942, we would live in a very different world.

The result of World War 2 was that Hitler lost but the fascists won. Under the guise of fighting Communism (eg the Truamn Doctrine, leading to the Korean and Vietnam wars). NATO was an imperial project. Charles De Gaulle (in the 1960s) went so far as to say Western Europe was in danger of becoming a US protectorate.

We all know about Operation Paper Clip (I hope) but less known is how Nazis found their way into NATO. Adolf Heusinger went from Hitler's Chief of the German High Command to Chairman of the NATO Military Committee. And he wasn't the only one [3].

So when that commenter called the Cold War "retarded", I suspect they're referring to how the US took up Nazi Germany's fight against Communism.

The whole Red Scare was terrible for average American citizens. It was used to dismantle the labor movement and unions and ultimately led to Nixon, Reagan and Clinton and the destruction of real wages and living conditions.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

[3]: https://www.historynet.com/these-nato-generals-had-unusual-b...

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#133

Post by arrosenberg »

fluoridation wrote: post #131
hetman wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, the US kept indirectly funding the Khmer Rouge even after evidence of their atrocities came to light for their own strategic geopolitical reasons. The realpolitic of international relations very often follows the words of the British prime minister, Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to…

So there is a universe out there where the US would have supported/allied with Nazi Germany had it been convenient?

Sure. If Smedley Butler has been less disillusioned by his work history and successfully carried forward the business plot it’s pretty easy to imagine.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#134

Post by ViktorRay »

jonasdegendt wrote: post #101
brabel wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> see the painful experience of Germany's unification I had thought that Germans from both sides were overwhelmingly supportive of re-unification, even if it would cause short-term pain??

It's my understanding there were plenty of USSR nostalgics in the east given how long it took for the free market to "trickle down" and the east to catch up economically. They never did catch up all the way anyway.

Today the areas that were previous controlled by East Germany overwhelmingly vote for right wing parties though.

I believe the AfD political party in Germany won significant support in those areas of Germany that were once behind the Iron Curtain.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#135

Post by dboreham »

fluoridation wrote: post #131
hetman wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, the US kept indirectly funding the Khmer Rouge even after evidence of their atrocities came to light for their own strategic geopolitical reasons. The realpolitic of international relations very often follows the words of the British prime minister, Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to…

So there is a universe out there where the US would have supported/allied with Nazi Germany had it been convenient?

Hardly difficult to imagine when you look at when WW2 began vs when the US became involved, and why.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#136

Post by wkat4242 »

the_af wrote: post #128
wkat4242 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose it theoretically could, but in practice it would mean it would cease to exist as it is now. But it's going to cease to exist as it is anyway. One way or another. And the people that remain will not be staring at a wall waiting for it to end. Also, young people seem to have a radically different mindset there, which is what tends to happen when they see their parents screwing everything up. Maybe the cultu…

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. You seem to be reacting in disbelief, "this cannot be true". But reality shows it is happening, it is accelerating, and young people are part of the problem. It's a real thing, and the consensus seems to be it's irreversible, however bizarre it may seem to us.

I just think life finds a way. Societies don't just disappear. They just change. There's too much value in Korea to just give up.

Will it disappear as we know it? Yes. But that is true everywhere. The America as you knew it in 2010 is also gone forever (and not for the better, unfortunately with its current politics). Same in Europe where the nazis are trying to take over. Change is a constant.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#137

Post by the_af »

wkat4242 wrote: post #136
the_af wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. You seem to be reacting in disbelief, "this cannot be true". But reality shows it is happening, it is accelerating, and young people are part of the problem. It's a real thing, and the consensus seems to be it's irreversible, however bizarre it may seem to us.

I just think life finds a way. Societies don't just disappear. They just change. There's too much value in Korea to just give up. Will it disappear as we know it? Yes. But that is true everywhere. The America as you knew it in 2010 is also gone forever (and not for the better, unfortunately with its current politics). Same in Europe where the nazis are trying to take over. Change is a constant.

Life doesn't always find a way. Mass extinctions are a thing. Even human cultures & ethnic groups have disappeared without a trace.

The South Korean population time bomb is a completely different thing to America in the 2010 changing.

Have you read what people who study demographics currently believe about South Korea. An informed opinion is really needed to discuss this, this is not about "feelings".

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#138

Post by ac29 »

codedokode wrote: post #127

Why everyone working with the government doesn't use hardware keys without passwords so that fishing is useless?

I know some people in the US government who definitely need a hardware key to access computing resources including email. They work for the Dept of the Interior on science stuff, nothing related to national security or otherwise sensitive info.

They mentioned this was a pain in the ass, and a very weird restriction since technically any member of the public can ask for a copy of their emails via FOIA.

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#139

Post by pphysch »

rikafurude21 wrote: post #99
drtgh wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your quote it is out of context, they are talking to North Korea's -sociopathic- government accomplice: > North Korean citizens are kidnapped by a dictatorship. They are talking to someone who supports crimes against humanity.

I would go as far as to say slaves of a dictatorship. Most likely threathened with death, including the hackers' entire family, if they dont follow the line. Considering these factors, how much do you think they actually "support crimes against humanity"? North Koreans filter their students very early on to find the smart ones and teach them hacking in specialized military camps. Whoever this hacker is, he probably h…

How is this any different from say a Pentagon or IDF employee who is involved (by some degree) in the documented mass murder of civilians? Their livelihoods are also on the line.

Are they off the hook because they "choose" to participate in mass murder?

Re: How the “Kim” dump exposed North Korea's credential theft playbook

#140

Post by AngryData »

fluoridation wrote: post #131
hetman wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, the US kept indirectly funding the Khmer Rouge even after evidence of their atrocities came to light for their own strategic geopolitical reasons. The realpolitic of international relations very often follows the words of the British prime minister, Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to…

So there is a universe out there where the US would have supported/allied with Nazi Germany had it been convenient?

I mean the US had no problems selling Nazi Germany arms at the start of the war. The US only really took a side after Germany told the US to stop also supplying war materials to their enemies, which Germany viewed as merely prolonging the war and deaths, and when the US ignored them because they were making too much money Germany stopped buying and doubled down on blockading material support to allies.
Post reply on HN