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AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by terribleperson »

floundy wrote: post #116
terribleperson wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not car…

I don't know if the day of reckoning will be anytime soon. I think a lot of major advertising firms are aware that they're mostly serving to bots, but if they tell their customers that, they don't get paid.

edit: This has definitely soured my already poor opinion of reddit. I mostly post there about video games, or to help people in /r/buildapc or /r/askculinary. I think I'd rather help people somewhere I'm not going to get blackholed because an AI misinterpreted my comments.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by testfrequency »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #109
testfrequency wrote: post #20

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Especially in the US right now where they are doing whatever it takes to be #1 in ~anything, ethical or not. It’s pure bragging rights and power, anything goes - profit is just the byproduct.

#1, likely not now: Most of my close friends are non-technical and expect me to be a cheerleader fir USA AI efforts. They were surprised when I started mentioning the recent Stanford study that 80% of US startups are using Chinese models. I would like us to win but we seem too hype focused and not engineering and practical applications focused.

I agree

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by gcanyon »

Is there anyone who has a credible take on how we avoid an effectively zero-privacy future? AI can identify people by their walk, no facial recognition required, and now technology can detect heartbeats through variations in wifi signals. It seems guaranteed we are heading for a future where someone knows everything. The only choice is whether it's a select few, or everyone. The latter seems clearly preferable.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by ddq »

martin-t wrote: post #52
rsyring wrote: post #16

IMO: make all the laws you want. They generally won't be enforced and, if they are, it will take 5-10 years to make it's way through the courts. At best, the fines will be huge and yet account for maybe 10% of the revenue generated by violating the law. The incentives are all wrong. I'm fundamentally a capitalist because I don't know another system that will work better. But, there really is just too much concentrate…

The law really should be "if you cause harm to others you will receive 2x greater harm done to you". And "if you profit from harming others, you will compensate them by 2x of what you gained". Instead of the current maze of case specific laws. --- > But I think something more profound needs to happen for these things to be truly fixed. I, admittedly, have no idea what that is. You know, you're just unwilling to think…

Yes, only 3x rather than 2x. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treble_damages

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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gcanyon wrote: post #133

Is there anyone who has a credible take on how we avoid an effectively zero-privacy future? AI can identify people by their walk, no facial recognition required, and now technology can detect heartbeats through variations in wifi signals. It seems guaranteed we are heading for a future where someone knows everything. The only choice is whether it's a select few, or everyone. The latter seems clearly preferable.

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by tomrod »

iammrpayments wrote: post #99
giancarlostoro wrote: post #49

I stopped using Facebook because I saw a video of a little Australian girl maybe 7 years old age wise holding a spider bigger than her face in her hand. I wrote the most internet meme comment I could think of “girl let go of that spider, we gotta set the house on fire” hit the button to post, only it did not post, it gave me an account strike. At the time I was the only developer at my employer who managed our Facebo…

The way facebook uses automation to manage their products is a disgrace, they can’t even manage to keep themselves automatically banning a lawyer who happens to be called Mark Zuckerberg: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-zuckerberg-lawsuit-imper... If you advertise on facebook you’re almost guarantee to have your ad account restricted for no apparent reason and no human being to appeal to, even if you spend big mo…

I've tried to open an account for while now, consistently blocked. At this point I have to assume it's stock is a scam.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by viccis »

floundy wrote: post #116
terribleperson wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm suspended on reddit for, as best as I can tell, posting a DFhack bug fix script. For the uninitiated, this is a bug fix script for a program commonly used in Dwarf Fortress moderating, not anything illicit. If this kind of low-quality AI moderation is the future, I'm not sure if these major platforms will even remain usable.

That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not car…

>That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up.

Check out this post [1] in which the post includes part of the LLM response ("This kind of story involves classic AITA themes: family drama, boundary-setting, and a “big event” setting, which typically generates a lot of engagement and differing opinions.") and almost no commenter points this out. Hilarious if it weren't so bleak.

1: https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1ft3bt6/aita_for_n... (using rareddit because it was eventually deleted)

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Post by blibble »

bitwize wrote: post #123
trod1234 wrote: post #117

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I'm banned from a few subreddits for correctly pointing out that ricing is not a pejorative, and the history of the culture that led to extreme customization. You have malevolent third-party bots taking advantage of poor moderation to conflate similar/same word different context pairs to silence communication. For example, the reddit AI bots considers "ricing" to be the same as "rice boy". The latter definitely is pe…

Per the Linux Foundation it is inappropriate to speak of programs as "hung" due to the political and social history associated with hanging. What makes you think "ricing" would be considered acceptable language in today's context?

I don't remember voting the Linux Foundation into power as global word police

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by tomrod »

junon wrote: post #130
toasted-subs wrote: post #118

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Yeah I've basically refused to ever have kid's because I cant imagine them growing up knowingly becoming slaves. As a parent I'd basically expected CPS to be called on me for having kid's in this environment.

What in the world are you talking about?

If it wasn't Ai slop, it seems close.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Post by mrob »

fragmede wrote: post #78
martin-t wrote: post #46

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While real nukes still work. What bad thing exactly happens if China wins? What does winning even mean? They can't invade because nukes. Can they manipulate elections? Yes, so we'll do the opposite of the great firewall and block them from the internet. Block their citizens from entering physically, too. We should be doing this anyway, given China is known to force them to spy for them.

If China gets to ASI first, the nukes won't matter.

If any country gets ASI first, nukes won't matter. For an ASI, most tasks are more reliably accomplished with all biological life dead. Making a safe ASI is vastly more difficult than the default option of letting it kill everything, so the default will be attempted first.
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