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Re: I'm absolutely right

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As I opened the website, the “16” changed to “17”. This looked interesting, as if the data were being updated live just as I loaded the page. Alas, a refresh (and quick check in the Developer Tools) reveals it’s fake and always does the transition. It’s a cool effect, but feels like a dirty trick.

Sorry if that felt dirty - I thought about it as a signal that the data is live (it is!).

Do you happen to have a counter how many times people create a webpage for data, intentionally show fake data, and submit that to HN?

Re: I'm absolutely right

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…although in many cases you kind of don’t have a choice here, right? If you’re waiting for some API to return data, there’s basically no way to know whether it has stalled. Presumably there will be a timeout, but if the timeout is broken for some reason, the spinner will just spin.

You can't figure out how to fix that? Does that problem seem impossible to you? Maybe don't start an animation, and instead advance a spinner when a thing happens, and when an API doesn't come back, the thing doesn't get advanced?

Long ago (I first remember doing it in about 1985 with the original Mac watch cursor) this was the standard way to do spinners: somewhere in your processing you incremented the spinner. It was hard to put the increments in the right places to keep the spinner going even when progress was happening, and nearly impossible to make it animate smoothly. This technique is even harder to get right when the processing in question is multithreaded, or if the spinner is part of the UI (as opposed to a cursor) so it has to trigger a redisplay to show up.

So programmers didn’t like it because it was complex, and designers didn’t like it because the animation was jerky.

As a result, the standard way now is to have an independent animation that you just turn on and off, which means you can’t tell if there’s actually any progress being made. Indeed, in modern MacOS, the wait cursor, aka beach ball, comes up if the program stops telling the system not to show it (that is, if it takes too long to process incoming system events). This is nice because it’s completely automatic, but as a result there’s no difference between showing that the program is busy doing something and that the program is permanently frozen.

Re: I'm absolutely right

#135
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always find the claim hilarious that in relationships women are the ones who need to be appeased, when in reality it's mostly men who can't stand being wrong or corrected.

Gay male marriages remarkably have the lower divorce rates than heterosexual marriages, while lesbian female marriages have higher divorce rates. Multiple studies show that lesbians consistently have far higher divorce rates than gays. This implies a level of neuroticism with females, that they probably do need to be appeased more, and that if you have two needy people who need to be appeased it's probably not going…

Funnily enough, male gay marriages also have by far the lowest domestic violence rate, and female gay marriages have the highest!

Re: I'm absolutely right

#136
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I guess it wasn’t only me! Claude keeps saying this even when it’s not appropriate.

You're absolutely right! You've hit a common frustration. Definitely not just you!

I am not only absolutely right but also astute and thoughtful - there's awful lot of us!

Re: I'm absolutely right

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post #4

As I opened the website, the “16” changed to “17”. This looked interesting, as if the data were being updated live just as I loaded the page. Alas, a refresh (and quick check in the Developer Tools) reveals it’s fake and always does the transition. It’s a cool effect, but feels like a dirty trick.

It's a dark pattern

This has to be the most over/misused term in this whole website.

Re: I'm absolutely right

#140

OK, so I love this, because we all recognize it. It's not fully just a tic of language, though. Responses that start off with "You're right!" are alignment mechanisms. The LLM, with its single-token prediction approach, follows up with a suggestion that much more closely follows the user's desires, instead of latching onto it's own previous approach. The other tic I love is "Actually, that's not right." That happens…

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