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Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by jongjong »

coldcode wrote: post #62

The site is slow so I can't see it. I'm 68, eat well, lost 20 pounds, work out twice a week. Everything is working fine. But I live in a place surrounded by people in walkers, wheelchairs, or using canes. Some of them have had strokes or accidents making improvement hard, but many simply chose to not do anything to avoid the aging. You don't ordinarily wind up with a walker at a single point; it often starts many yea…

My grandma is 90 and seems like she hasn't aged at all since I was a child. She is still fit and independent. She eats whatever she wants. She went to the doctor for a checkup and told him that she eats cake and pastries almost every day and asked if that was alright; the doctor looked at her test results and literally told her "Mrs... You can eat as much sugar as you want." It's kind of funny that she is the longest living of all my grandparents because she was the least neurotic about her health to the point of negligence.

She would constantly bake rich chocolate cakes and thick hot drinking chocolate for herself and grandchildren and when she cooked pasta, she would put ketchup + mayonnaise on top. All the recipes she knows are quick/easy and supposedly unhealthy. She literally doesn't know how to make a salad. I've never seen her eat a salad.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by port11 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #97
coldcode wrote: post #62

The site is slow so I can't see it. I'm 68, eat well, lost 20 pounds, work out twice a week. Everything is working fine. But I live in a place surrounded by people in walkers, wheelchairs, or using canes. Some of them have had strokes or accidents making improvement hard, but many simply chose to not do anything to avoid the aging. You don't ordinarily wind up with a walker at a single point; it often starts many yea…

Reminds me of a guy I knew when I was growing up. At the time he was in his 80s. Walked miles every day, he was in great shape. Still died before 90, so it did not buy him notable longevity, but he was mentally sharp and physically capable up to very near the end. That sounds way better than slowly turning into a vegetable over the last 20 years of your life.

This is linked to the superb concept of Senescence [1].

In 'Exercised', the author goes to great lengths to show how, in some societies, people don't turn into 'vegetables' because they're active and engaged. They just… die eventually, without an awful decay into death.

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senescence

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by squigz »

sniffers wrote: post #120
greyb wrote: post #43

From what I recall, there are retirement homes (the examples I'm thinking of are in Asia) that make use of these suits in their onboarding processes, where they need to wear these suits for a few hours to understand some of the challenges their patients experience, and develop empathy when they can't walk as fast or do things that we'd expect in short order. I would love to see more widespread adoption of these suits…

Doing this is probably a net good but also a bit risky. It creates the impression that there's one experience we all go through as we decline, when in reality it's pretty wildly different. It's helpful to build some empathy, but also a limited understanding. For instance, these suits might restrict movement but they don't simulate hip or knee pain. They don't simulate shortness of breath, etc. It certainly doesn't in…

Limited understanding is far better than no understanding.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by squigz »

sans_souse wrote: post #122

I guess I'm the only one who thought this was literally a joke. If anyone is interested I have the orange tinted 90's ski goggles, weights for arms and legs, and I'll even throw in some mothballs and baby powder no additional charge. Do people really need something this extravagant not too mention ridiculous looking in order to just relate to other humans? In order to empathize? Is it so hard to "take someone's word"…

Because there's a big difference between having empathy for another's pain and actually understanding what it's like, even to a slight degree. For example, I'm severely visually impaired; I would not expect a deaf person to truly understand what that's like, just as I don't understand what a deaf person's life is like; that doesn't stop either of us from having empathy for the other though.

If this helps people empathize who otherwise wouldn't... isn't that good? Can we just not be glad that people can gain some more understanding of what the elderly go through?

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by viking123 »

safety1st wrote: post #115
coldcode wrote: post #62

The site is slow so I can't see it. I'm 68, eat well, lost 20 pounds, work out twice a week. Everything is working fine. But I live in a place surrounded by people in walkers, wheelchairs, or using canes. Some of them have had strokes or accidents making improvement hard, but many simply chose to not do anything to avoid the aging. You don't ordinarily wind up with a walker at a single point; it often starts many yea…

I didn't realize this until a couple of years ago (in my 40s) but boy did it alter my perspective on life. And I've heard what you're saying here from a couple other people in their 60s too. When you're young you don't really think about it much, health comes for "free." But as you age your biology will force a choice upon you, one option is you spend progressively more time maintaining your health, in which case it…

I am around 30 and at least still I feel same as 20. Although I try to walk at least 30 min per day but the city I live in Asia is really shit for walking so it ends up being through shopping malls or some park.

Also I have been taking metformin (daily) and rapamycin (weekly) since like age 24 not sure they have helped but it's easy to buy here so I am giving it a try. I also use sunscreen if I go out during the midday which I rarely do in the tropics..

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by viking123 »

costcopizza wrote: post #50
nate wrote: post #8

My dad is 85 and this article hits hard about what he fights going on in his body. What sucks is how much of a downward, self reinforcing spiral it all is. It's so hard to see the curbs to walk over or how to get to a thing himself, so he just naturally chooses to do fewer and fewer things. Watching TV is safer and kinder and becomes the default to anything. Which just makes his brain less and less stimulated and act…

My grandma is 83 and I could’ve written this exact same post. I know it comes for everyone, but the pace of said spiral is frightening. Wish we were in a timeframe with more alternatives for rapid loss of mobility and muscle.

There's quite a lot of aging research going, maybe will get something concrete in the next 10-20 years (maybe too late for her) but it's at least something

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by viking123 »

peepee1982 wrote: post #117
ACCount37 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aging should be recognized as a disease already. It's long overdue.

Aging is part of a natural process we are already able to slow down significantly. Calling it a disease just muddies the semantic space of pathology in my opinion. Everybody understands already that slowing down or stopping the aging process is desirable. I don't see the usefulness in lumping it in with muscle atrophy, clogged arteries, or cancer.

I don't know, muscle atrophy, cancer etc. are all mostly caused by aging. The current paradigm is kind of whack a mole which won't take us very far.

We need to understand the aging better still like what is actually going on and what are the main drivers (even here is dispute among scientists)

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by viking123 »

kulahan wrote: post #86
ACCount37 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to decay and rot and die a miserable death, that's your choice. If your genuine preference is that all of your friends and family and your own children should decay and rot and die a miserable death too, then that's your opinion and you can hold onto it. But don't you dare force that outcome onto everyone. In my eyes, "decay and rot and the inevitability of a miserable death is a good thing actually" is a…

If you want the world to be run by a 700 year old Xi jinping, if you want your children to suffer under a thousand year rule of monopolistic Bezos, if you want to see Altered Carbon become a reality, then that’s your opinion and you can hold on to it. But don’t you dare force that on anyone else. See how unconvincing these platitudes are? I literally cannot imagine why you would want infinite life. The short timespan…

I kind of agree but on the other hand I think it would also change the calculus a lot, if the dictator was going to live to 700, wouldn't it be more likely for someone to act and try to get him out because now the calculus might be that it's just better to wait it out than try to set anything up?

It's a bit hard to visualize that kind of world because so many other things would also be different, and if the politicians were chronologically like 500, they would biologically be still much younger so maybe the mind would allow for much more plasticisty and that would allow them to be more open to new ideas.

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by viking123 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #98
kulahan wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xi Jinping is worse, by orders of magnitude. Death is part of the necessary cycle of biology, and in no way is it bad. It’s certainly SAD, but in no way is it bad. Rotting isn’t this horrible mark on your body, it’s the beauty of nature recycling things so that the new has a chance. Not only that, but could you imagine the absolutely incredible strain on Earth’s resources if we had 50 billion people instead of 8 bill…

If you think that the evils of Xi Jinping outweigh the suffering of billions, you should consider killing Xi Jinping. Plenty of people tried killing Hitler, and Xi Jinping is apparently even worse? >There simply isn’t any positive to immortality, besides You mean, besides billions of people not rotting to death in their own bodies? Besides that little incredibly unimportant easy-to-overlook thing? >Can you explain wh…

I can't see how there wouldn't be a revolution if the rich had all this anti-aging technology and the plebs would sit there and watch.

People like to cope a lot, they are fine with playing whack a mole with 50 different diseases and putting the 90 year old through chemo, but treating aging (the actual root cause)? OH MY GOD MUH NATURE

Re: Age Simulation Suit

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Post by viking123 »

lurking_swe wrote: post #102
ACCount37 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, cope. "It’s what happens to all the fauna and flora on this planet" is cope. A literal "it's more okay if I rot to death if everything else does!" Modern agriculture has enabled the human population to grow rapidly without people starving to death, which had "unknown unintended consequences" too. As well as the well known consequence of food being affordable and available to most people worldwide. I'd take "unkn…

My takeaway from this chat is that one of us is content, and the other is petrified of death. :-) Anyways thanks for humoring me. Enjoy the rest of your day!

Holy cope.
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