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Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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I'm not ignoring it, but I’m not falling into a post hoc fallacy, either. I'll put it this way: if I were ignoring it, I'd be ignoring one more data point than you are in cherry-picking a single example.

I'd be ignoring one more data point

whoops. fixed.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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I’d like to lay out an argument about why tariffs are good. The only businesses that are derailing with tariffs issues are those that import goods to sell. The argument against tariffs is that they make goods more expensive. Of course, this argument is true. But that’s not the end of the story. Because prices are higher for imported goods, demand for domestically produced goods increases. This increase in demand lead…

Both raw materials and finished goods are tariffed. So if the idea is to be more self sustaining: we cannot. Also, read this: https://www.molsonhart.com/blog/america-underestimates-the-d...

Is the argument here what we should forgo important things because they’re difficult? As far as I can tell, the difficulty will only increase as time goes on.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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I think this is Ccjaas2004. I'm not 100% sure on the letters, but the year is easy to see. Hopefully, they've changed their password sometime in the past 21 years.

That's CCJ who married AAS in 2004. The password is still the same. But what's the username and what's the service?

Everybody logs-in with the same username into the only app. It's a kiosk computer without a surviving vendor to support it.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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A cogent, long range tariff and industrial policy might accomplish something like this over a period of years. Does that describe the last 6 months?

Sure, a cogent policy would be ideal. But you can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. America was getting their lunch eaten well before Trump. At least the tariff policy is an attempt at rectifying the situation.

> you can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good

You can let bad be the enemy of both good and perfect.

Investment in manufacturing structures is down in ‘25 [1]. Manufacturing activity in the northeast is down, with “the new orders index dip[ping] into negative territory” [2].

Tariffs can reduce trade imbalances and incentivize domestic production. We’re not doing that. Our tariffs are too volatile. They tax manufacturing inputs. Tweets grasping for the straws of a Nobel prize cede prized export markets like India to China [3]. Cancelled licenses for nearly-complete projects add risk [4].

The policies of a degrowth leftist who wanted to reduce our industrial output and pivot to manufacturing would be virtually identical.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RX1Q020SBEA

[2] https://www.philadelphiafed.org/surveys-and-data/regional-ec...

[3] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...

[4] https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-orders-orsted-ha...

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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Trump is even using Tariff threats to strong-arm other countries to retreat on their climate goals [1]. If the Supreme Court agrees that the Trump can do this then that means we have a dictator — one that will do way more harm than the one in North Korea. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-internation...

How can you possibly do more harm than the one in NK, literally starving your population?

The one in NK is doing that only to his own country. Trump is destroying the whole planet by withdrawing from the Paris agreement and then by strong-arming other countries to do the same. If we haven't already passed the tipping point Trump's actions will make sure we do, destroying all hope.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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No, why should they, there are many concurents out there. But! Once the prices go up because of some taxes, they never go as low as they were before. Thats no theory, thats life. Say good bye, to the prices you see now, you will never see them again ;-)

> Thats no theory, thats life. It's inflation, which is caused by deficit spending. The US didn't have inflation before 1914.

That is measurably untrue and it took me about ten seconds of searching to find it. https://www.billmeridian.com/articles-files/inflation.htm and many others. Historically I know you tend to argue pretty dishonestly but this was pretty easy to find and so either you're lying or didn't bother doing any research past reading Ayn Rand.

Also, prices spiking up from incompetent threats of tariffs and not coming down are categorically different than regular inflation. This is obvious and shouldn't need to be explained to you.

ETA:

Just realized that the source for the one I posted was pretty dubious (Bill Meridian is apparently a "financial astrologer", whatever that means), so here's a more reputable one: https://northcarolinahistory.org/commentary/the-war-of-1812/

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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post #85

I’d like to lay out an argument about why tariffs are good. The only businesses that are derailing with tariffs issues are those that import goods to sell. The argument against tariffs is that they make goods more expensive. Of course, this argument is true. But that’s not the end of the story. Because prices are higher for imported goods, demand for domestically produced goods increases. This increase in demand lead…

"Demand for domestic goods" includes a lot of exports. And when the foreign policy is explicitly "the US vs everyone else", it's obviously the US businesses that will have nowhere else to go as the retaliatory tariffs hit the businesses/industries that were previously strong.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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Trump is even using Tariff threats to strong-arm other countries to retreat on their climate goals [1]. If the Supreme Court agrees that the Trump can do this then that means we have a dictator — one that will do way more harm than the one in North Korea. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-internation...

How can you possibly do more harm than the one in NK, literally starving your population?

Also trumps a fascist and NK is communist so the logic is inconsistent.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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In NYC, for the first 6 months of 2025, 994 new private sector jobs were created [1]. During the same period last year, there were 66,000 new jobs created. Higher cost of doing business from tariffs has frozen hiring. With a frozen job market, there’s less revenue coming in. NYC is a leading indicator for the rest of the country. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/13/nyregion/nyc-jobs.html

Even assuming that there were no other federal, state or local YoY differences [1] that could explain this change (and that the numbers are right as presented in the first place), New York City private sector employment is nothing like most other parts of the US: it's the largest city in the US by a large margin, it has a concentration of employment in a few major industries (finance, fashion, publishing, software) t…

It's true that NYC private sector employment is different from the US labor market as a whole, but NYC private sector employment is better representative of what readers of this site care about than overall US employment. Readers are much more likely to be affected by changes in the professional services and information sectors than, say, agriculture.

Re: Six months into tariffs, businesses have no idea how to price anything

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I don't understand the point of this comment. If you consider the most important target to be China, so important that it's worth a 10,000% tariff unless certain demands are met, shouldn't you be furious that the tariffs the source article describes on copper and India and Turkey are distracting from the important things?

No because it's obvious those countries don't have the leverage to negotiate. Trump hasn't even started discussing h1b with India.

Sorry, I'm imposing my personal tariff on this conversation. You obviously don't have enough leverage to be worth my time, you'll need to pay me $100 or accept my general boycott of Trump supporters.
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