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How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by bombcar »

johnecheck wrote: post #111
os2warpman wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A country must have a people. Who are the people of the Vatican? The only persons who live there are temporary government employees and not even all of them are citizens because that is optional. You cannot own property, vote for your government, start your own business, go to school, buy anything except what is stocked in the small canteen, or go to the hospital if you are a Vatican citizen and odds are pretty good…

Your definition ignores international recognition. Ultimately, whether you get to act like a country (go to the UN, engage in diplomacy, hold territory) is in large part based on whether other countries recognize you as such. I don't know that it defines country-hood but it's part of the puzzle. The Vatican is a fascinating example since it's clearly a very different sort of entity than the rest of the countries, yet…

Historically the Vatican is also a way to allow the Papal States to “give up” their claim on, well, the Papal States.

It works out pretty well for everyone, so it continues.

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by bombcar »

0x3f wrote: post #59
uz3snolc3t6fnrq wrote: post #39

.george is a pretty funny one. apparently Walmart owns it, so you probably won't be able to register a .george domain any time soon. https://icannwiki.org/.george do companies even use these in the wild or are they buying these TLDs for nothing? ".brother", ".canon", ".nokia", ".panasonic", ".playstation", ".xbox", ".xerox"... there's even ".sandvikcoromant", which is some sort of Swedish metalwork company.

George is the clothing brand of the ASDA supermarket chain in the UK, which Walmart used to own. I'm not sure if it's a brand they use worldwide though; I don't really go to Walmart when in the US. Either way, that's why they own it, presumably.

https://www.walmart.com/search?q=George finds quite a bit but why they’d pay for that TLD and not for any of the other store brands they have is unknown.

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by bombcar »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #104
eastbound wrote: post #31

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Application fee with ICANN: $185k, non-refundable, Yearly fee: $25k Technical backend with Verisign: $200k per year Add maybe $100k of lawyer fees.

time to start fundraising for .fhqwhgads

I’m there for it; all told it’s not much more than a house …

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by riffraff »

skissane wrote: post #123
mikestorrent wrote: post #33

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The Vatican is a country, so it gets a ccTLD.

I am wondering if the Albanian government’s plan to give independence to the Tirana HQ of the Bektashi Sufi Order is ever actually going to happen. If it does, then they’ll be the world’s second country dedicated to a religion… well, currently Iran is a Twelver Shi’a theocracy, but Iran had a long history before it was theocracy, and maybe one day won’t be one anymore; Vatican City and the proposed “Bektashi Muslim V…

Tibet was a theocracy with a religious leader for a while until recent times.

Also I think the Albanian plan is more on the lines of Mount Athos: it is technically an in independent administration with independent (monastic) government but still part of the Greek state

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastic_community_of_Mount_...

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by petesergeant »

qingcharles wrote: post #108
steviedotboston wrote: post #78

The Ismaili leaders are super influential and have connections everywhere. They are megawealthy socialites. Basically they wanted the TLDs so they knew who to talk to to make it happen.

Right. I wanted to send a pic of the previous Aga Khan to someone recently and the first pic that came up was him hanging out with King Charles. IIRC their HQ in Portugal has a similar semi-autonomous status to the Vatican inside Rome.

The British monarchy and the Aga Khan have very strong associations. Weird trivia: the right for the Aga Khan to call himself "His Highness" is by title granted by the British monarchy, like some kind of weird accreditation.

https://www.royal.uk/news-and-activity/2025-02-10/the-king-i...

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by toolslive »

Towaway69 wrote: post #125
thayne wrote: post #118

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Well it's tricky. I don't really have a problem with google owning the .google TLD, because that is a pretty unique name, and is unlikely to be useful for anything besides unrelated to Google. Similarly for .walmart or .microsoft. But .apple is a problem, because it is a common English word, and it isn't unreasonable for say an apple orchard, or an apple cider company to want a .apple domain. Similarly for other bran…

Is it tricky? If you have a trademark, you can have a gTLD - simple as that. Because the problem is how can apple have a trademark on the word “apple”? For me, the same rules should be enforced for trademarks because an apple orchard might also like to have a trademark but that’s difficult because “apple” is already a trademark. Edit: as pointed out in the comments, this position doesn't take into account that tradem…

there was a fight between Apple, the computer company and Apple, the record company (initially owned by The Beatles). They initially resolved it by The Beatles allowing the other to one to keep its name on the condition they would refrain from entering the music business.

We all know how that turned out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Records

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by portaouflop »

toolslive wrote: post #136
Towaway69 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it tricky? If you have a trademark, you can have a gTLD - simple as that. Because the problem is how can apple have a trademark on the word “apple”? For me, the same rules should be enforced for trademarks because an apple orchard might also like to have a trademark but that’s difficult because “apple” is already a trademark. Edit: as pointed out in the comments, this position doesn't take into account that tradem…

there was a fight between Apple, the computer company and Apple, the record company (initially owned by The Beatles). They initially resolved it by The Beatles allowing the other to one to keep its name on the condition they would refrain from entering the music business. We all know how that turned out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Records

How did it turn out? Seems like both still have their trademark and everyone lived happily ever after

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by portaouflop »

jrflowers wrote: post #30
ionwake wrote: post #14

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yes blame. ofcourse it matters. tld use to be good insight into the purpose of the website. IE, google.com, or wikipedia.org

Those tlds still exist. The existence of butts.adult doesn’t create confusion about oxfam.org

You misled me, butts.adult does in fact not exist.

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by JdeBP »

arcfour wrote: post #55
postquantumfax wrote: post #47

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resolv.conf-> search If you are not a consumer on an ISP emulating dialup it is quite likely that a popular name in a naming convention I.e. 'mercury' resolves to something for you and something for someone at a different firm (mercury.intranet.[firm].not-so-stupid-tld). A cert is possibly not a fully qualified one so when ICANN gives away mercury you need to append .asshat to everything ICANN names. (Two firms have…

Run your own DNS then, if you're using your own DNS? Why are your queries for internal systems leaking out to the internet?

I think that the scenario here is where the queries are explicitly not leaking, and you've raised a red herring.

If I understand correctly, the scenario is an internal machine named "george", which is being properly search-pathed and looked up as "george.example.org." with nothing leaking anywhere, becoming vulnerable to Walmart being able to issue certificates in the name "george", because the DNS client library's search pathing is not read out by the layers that simply know the machine as "george".

I'm not totally convinced by the premise here that certificate checkers never read out the final fully-qualified domain name from getaddrinfo().

Re: How did .agakhan, .ismaili and .imamat get their own TLDs?

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Post by picafrost »

uz3snolc3t6fnrq wrote: post #39

.george is a pretty funny one. apparently Walmart owns it, so you probably won't be able to register a .george domain any time soon. https://icannwiki.org/.george do companies even use these in the wild or are they buying these TLDs for nothing? ".brother", ".canon", ".nokia", ".panasonic", ".playstation", ".xbox", ".xerox"... there's even ".sandvikcoromant", which is some sort of Swedish metalwork company.

I wouldn't say it's for nothing. Brands with trademarks have a legal incentive under trademark law to acquire their trademarked name everywhere. Not doing so immediately risks a future legal and bad PR battle if some smaller company acquires it first.
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