I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
Is it possible to put the trackpad "above" (as in closer to the display) the keyboard? This is to me the obvious correct place to put it, but I'm in the clear minority.
Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16
#132Very nice. Glad Framework finally updated the CPU/APU on this because I really want the Ryzen AI APU in a 16 inch form factor (I don't care about dedicated GPUs though).
My understanding was that there's not really anything you can do with the NPU yet?
Copilot supports it.
And on windows you can try AMD tools like https://github.com/lemonade-sdk/lemonade to run arbitrary LLMs. AMD is actively developing support for the NPU.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#133The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.
Similarly spec'd laptops can be found for ~1/2 the price. I don't think a deep economic analysis is necessary...
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#134I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome
It's so weird to hear people who have problems with NVIDIA GPUs on Linux, because for me it's always been the opposite. I have had problems with AMD but never with NVIDIA.
Maybe things have improved, or support was just never that good for older NVIDIA GPU's (for reference, last time I used Nvidia on Linux I was running Fedora on a Thinkpad P50, which I think has a Quadro M1000M gpu), but it'd be a costly experiment to find
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#135I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
Any hope for a 75 keyboard? With home/end/pageup/pagedown on the side?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have multiple Dell laptops that have a mouse nub in the middle of the keyboard
I've used it on a Dell laptop too, but it was far inferior to the Trackpoint. I think IBM/Lenovo had a patent on the specific technology but it might be expired now.
The track point dates to the 1990's at least so at least the main patents have expired. I have no clue about advances they might have made
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#137I love the modularity, but unlike the 13" version this one is just too bulky. For this reason I am eyeing up Thinkpad P1, even though it is only available with an Intel CPU.
I use a P1 and I don't think I'd buy another. The fan runs a lot. When I carry it in my backpack, I have to remember to do a complete shutdown otherwise I'll pull a very hot machine with a mostly depleted battery out of my backpack when I get to my destination.
Outside of Apple, there doesn't seem to be many good fanless laptops. I'd love to see Framework come up with something.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#138I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
Will we ever have ECC RAM as an option?
+1
And if not, could you elaborate?
It would also be a huge benefit to use a replaced mainboard as a homelab base WITH ECC support in the future.
Same goes for the Framework Desktop, which features Strix Halo without ECC support, whereas ECC IS possible with Ryzen AI MAX+ 395+ PRO (e.g. HP Z2 Mini G1a).
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's so weird to hear people who have problems with NVIDIA GPUs on Linux, because for me it's always been the opposite. I have had problems with AMD but never with NVIDIA.
When the AMD driver was named "radeon" nvidia was better, but since "amdgpu" came out things have flipped.
Is this because the driver itself has changed in its operation or just from the name change breaking lots of code that referenced the "radeon" name?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#140Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days?
From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go.
I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint, and use my M3 at work. Anyone have the early Frameworks still in daily use? How are they?