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Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by arghwhat »

cheema33 wrote: post #34

This needs to be repeated. Tariffs are a tax on ordinary citizens. Unlike regular taxes, tariffs are not progressive and therefore benefit the wealthy. These are the sort of things the poor and middle class voted for. To make the rich, richer. And then turn around and complain that rich are getting richer and they are getting poorer.

Tariffs like this is a market regulation that the people pays for.

It doesn't "benefit the wealthy" because it's not progressive, it benefits the wealthy that have investments in the tariffed industry by distorting the market to their advantage instead of having to be competitive on a level playing field.

The rest of the wealthy are equally annoyed by the tariffs as everyone else, possibly more so as they see their investments tank.

Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by khuey »

helloooooooo wrote: post #116
cheema33 wrote: post #34

This needs to be repeated. Tariffs are a tax on ordinary citizens. Unlike regular taxes, tariffs are not progressive and therefore benefit the wealthy. These are the sort of things the poor and middle class voted for. To make the rich, richer. And then turn around and complain that rich are getting richer and they are getting poorer.

I don’t think anyone here has yet come to the realization that ending rampant consumerism is the whole damn point of the tariffs.

The "point" of the tariffs is that Trump likes tariffs. There's nothing more to it than that.

Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by [deleted] »

hippo22 wrote: post #64
cheema33 wrote: post #34

This needs to be repeated. Tariffs are a tax on ordinary citizens. Unlike regular taxes, tariffs are not progressive and therefore benefit the wealthy. These are the sort of things the poor and middle class voted for. To make the rich, richer. And then turn around and complain that rich are getting richer and they are getting poorer.

Do you think that cigarette taxes should be repealed then?

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Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by philwelch »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #33
philwelch wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just have a dictator?

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> or, more realistically, the conservative ghouls which are parading his corpse around, Weekend-at-Bernie's style

I don’t know what reality you’re from but that is not even close to true in this reality. Maybe you’re thinking of the last guy.

Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by ghssds »

shadowgovt wrote: post #55
coryrc wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your alternative? I'm serious. (Mine is multi-member ranked voting (NOT IRV)).

One alternative that has been tried (and is, arguably, still being tried) is Constitutional Republic. The difference is that some things get hammered into a Constitution and are indisputable without a significant process. That counterweights the populist "half of everyone is below average" effect. Someone convinces a whole bunch of people that maybe slavery is actually super useful sometimes? Thirteenth amendment. A…

> Someone convinces a whole bunch of people that maybe slavery is actually super useful sometimes? Thirteenth amendment.

Actually the thirteenth amendment explicitely allows slavery to exist in a case a whole bunch of people (maybe even yourself) think is super useful.

Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by [deleted] »

helloooooooo wrote: post #116
cheema33 wrote: post #34

This needs to be repeated. Tariffs are a tax on ordinary citizens. Unlike regular taxes, tariffs are not progressive and therefore benefit the wealthy. These are the sort of things the poor and middle class voted for. To make the rich, richer. And then turn around and complain that rich are getting richer and they are getting poorer.

I don’t think anyone here has yet come to the realization that ending rampant consumerism is the whole damn point of the tariffs.

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Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by [deleted] »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #112
colechristensen wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's quite the opposite. Tariffs are flat taxes on corporations AND can't be avoided with the tax shenanigans all big corporations use and many small ones can't. Implementation and motivation details aside I'm in favor of small tariffs for all but the most equal trade partners. Corporate taxes have the problem of small business paying much more proportionally than large ones and a flat tax on businesses that…

Corporations don't pay taxes. They pass them on to their customers: us. And applying tariffs to tools and raw materials when you're supposed to be trying to bring manufacturing back to your country is... well, let's just say any government stupid enough to do that isn't likely to improve things in any other respect.

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Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by rapind »

colechristensen wrote: post #86
cheema33 wrote: post #34

This needs to be repeated. Tariffs are a tax on ordinary citizens. Unlike regular taxes, tariffs are not progressive and therefore benefit the wealthy. These are the sort of things the poor and middle class voted for. To make the rich, richer. And then turn around and complain that rich are getting richer and they are getting poorer.

I think it's quite the opposite. Tariffs are flat taxes on corporations AND can't be avoided with the tax shenanigans all big corporations use and many small ones can't. Implementation and motivation details aside I'm in favor of small tariffs for all but the most equal trade partners. Corporate taxes have the problem of small business paying much more proportionally than large ones and a flat tax on businesses that…

> The problem with the current political situation is the establishment in both parties w were too cowardly or useless to address real problems which are now actually being addressed by objectively stupid fascists.

> And that is the lesson to everyone, get stuff done or get replaced by awful people doing awful things.

I don't think that the establishment who benefitted from the status quo actually cares nearly as much as they pretend to while the poor and eroding middle class bear the brunt of the suffering. I doubt rich reagonites and clintonites who made a killing off of deregulation and cheap overseas labour have many regrets.

Re: Temporary suspension of acceptance of mail to the United States

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Post by bagels »

helloooooooo wrote: post #116
cheema33 wrote: post #34

This needs to be repeated. Tariffs are a tax on ordinary citizens. Unlike regular taxes, tariffs are not progressive and therefore benefit the wealthy. These are the sort of things the poor and middle class voted for. To make the rich, richer. And then turn around and complain that rich are getting richer and they are getting poorer.

I don’t think anyone here has yet come to the realization that ending rampant consumerism is the whole damn point of the tariffs.

According to who? That's not the most common justification provided for them, the more common refrain a bag full of lies about what a tariff is and what a trade deficit is.
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