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CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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It’s entirely possible that this is causal ABs deliberate, ie the reason why boards of these companies have approved large CEO pay packages is so that the CEO will align themselves with the shareholders paying them rather than the workers working for them and cut wages so the money can be returned to shareholders as buybacks.

Do you have an iPhone? Mine is constantly turning “and” into “ABs” when I type with swipe.

I've noticed too. Idk what it is about iOS's autocorrect that has made it go to absolute shit over the last few years.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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I did an exercise here: the average CEO salary of S&P 500 is around $20M. That's around $10B totally. Assume there are three executives - so thats around $30B annually. Lets go much further, lets multiply this by 10 to account for top 5000 companies (in practice it would be more like top 20,000 because the lower companies have much lower CEO salaries). There are around 300 million people in USA. By redistributing the…

Another way to look at it is every single person, including children, are paying $75 a month for executives of 5000 public companies. Or $190 per month per household. That is significantly more than the average electricity bill ($130/month). Downplaying that shows you are out of touch with the average American.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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I did an exercise here: the average CEO salary of S&P 500 is around $20M. That's around $10B totally. Assume there are three executives - so thats around $30B annually. Lets go much further, lets multiply this by 10 to account for top 5000 companies (in practice it would be more like top 20,000 because the lower companies have much lower CEO salaries). There are around 300 million people in USA. By redistributing the…

As shown by the covid payments. $900 a year is a lot of money to a lot of folks. Heck annual social security average is 24k a year, so you are talking about nearly 4% more money for just those people alone.

Fair, lets then count income tax which makes it more like $500 assuming net taxes around 40%. I'm ignoring salary increase due to stock valuation going up because it complicates things and there is equal force from both sides of the argument.

So you decide: 20,000 companies running with a CEO being paid like an average person. And every citizen gets $500 in their account per year.

Edit: its not just a CEO but the C suite. 20,000 running without a C suite.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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This is not true. Restrict supply too much and you can't build anything. Could you have built Nvidia by restricting supply? Probably not - so there seems to be a middle ground.

This is specifically addressing the type workers mentioned in the article. Restricting immigration of those who would compete with them. Which ain't going to be your Nvida type engineers.

After thinking about what you said I think I agree but only a bit.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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Buybacks are just a more tax-efficient way to issue dividends to shareholders (dividend issuance is a taxable event and at short-term rates, buybacks raise the stock price and those gains aren't taxable until you sell, at which point it may be long-term cap gains). It's reasonable to be upset about the fact that this is arguably a tax dodge! But all of the other criticism of buybacks apply equally to dividends which…

> buybacks raise the stock price and those gains aren't taxable until you sell They temporarily raise the stock price for the people who are the counterparties to the stock purchase, but isn't that also creating a taxable event for them? Once the buyback is done, what's keeping that share price from sliding right back down to earth? The shareholders who support the company and hold watch a group who bet against the c…

> Once the buyback is done, what's keeping that share price from sliding right back down to earth?

The plan really seems for the buyback never to be done. Or only in case of economy-wide disruption when there is something to blame— a kind of reverse-Buffet.

In fact , adding more punch to the bowl is a key advantage over the legacy tender offer process— tenders directly compete for shares for just a little while. Buybacks, while they have limits, are much more persistent and flexible.

Perhaps it was some historical accident that when the SEC made reacquiring shares easier, everyone started doing more of it … but at some point the explanations of efficient capital allocation just become too much.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

#136

I did an exercise here: the average CEO salary of S&P 500 is around $20M. That's around $10B totally. Assume there are three executives - so thats around $30B annually. Lets go much further, lets multiply this by 10 to account for top 5000 companies (in practice it would be more like top 20,000 because the lower companies have much lower CEO salaries). There are around 300 million people in USA. By redistributing the…

I'm not convinced that diluting it this far is a fully effective thought experiment. If you took half of that $900 and distributed it amongst 500,000 instead of 300 million, then it'd be a more formidable amount. I'm not sure why it needs to be equally distributed. Just putting it back into the economy otherwise is good enough.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

#137

I did an exercise here: the average CEO salary of S&P 500 is around $20M. That's around $10B totally. Assume there are three executives - so thats around $30B annually. Lets go much further, lets multiply this by 10 to account for top 5000 companies (in practice it would be more like top 20,000 because the lower companies have much lower CEO salaries). There are around 300 million people in USA. By redistributing the…

Is distributing it to individuals the best option? My suggestion would be to first identify the best option, eg improving education usually has a fairly high ROI. That's how taxes are supposed to work.

> “Every dollar we put into high-quality early childhood education we get $7 back in reduced teen pregnancy, improved graduation rates, improved performance in school, reduced incarceration rates. The society as a whole does better.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/04/...

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

#138

I did an exercise here: the average CEO salary of S&P 500 is around $20M. That's around $10B totally. Assume there are three executives - so thats around $30B annually. Lets go much further, lets multiply this by 10 to account for top 5000 companies (in practice it would be more like top 20,000 because the lower companies have much lower CEO salaries). There are around 300 million people in USA. By redistributing the…

Now do this exercise only for the workwers of each of those companies. If they're generating billions value, they should get a fairer share of the profits.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

#139

I did an exercise here: the average CEO salary of S&P 500 is around $20M. That's around $10B totally. Assume there are three executives - so thats around $30B annually. Lets go much further, lets multiply this by 10 to account for top 5000 companies (in practice it would be more like top 20,000 because the lower companies have much lower CEO salaries). There are around 300 million people in USA. By redistributing the…

As shown by the covid payments. $900 a year is a lot of money to a lot of folks. Heck annual social security average is 24k a year, so you are talking about nearly 4% more money for just those people alone.

You might be interested in https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/giving-people-money-helped-... which talks about the studies showing low effects for just giving money to Americans. It seems like just giving people money is still unproven to have impacts to make people healthier, happier (beyond the year they start giving money), get them better jobs, or improve their children’s intellectual development. There's still hope for targeted programs, but it changed my view on blanket payments.

Re: CEO pay and stock buybacks have soared at the largest low-wage corporations

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As a thought experiment, consider what it would take to make CEO pay gap even BIGGER, in addition to stock-based comp* and buybacks, which are mentioned in headline. Here's what one might do: - Reduce unions - Outsource and automate labor - Slow minimum wage increases - Consolidate power via M&A (you mentioned this) - Cut back on benefits like healthcare, pensions and paid leave - Promote "guru culture": indispensabl…

None of these issues are specific to CEO wages. This is essentially just a list of reasons why you don't like capitalism. ie if a CEO doesn't do these on their own accord, the shareholders might contact the CEO and tell them to take some of these measures. This mechanism isn't dependent on CEO pay, because the CEO is always beholden to the shareholders, and shareholders always want more money. The solution to this is…

> This mechanism isn't dependent on CEO pay, because the CEO is always beholden to the shareholders, and shareholders always want more money

Legally the CEO has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders. In practice, can we honestly say that every CEO of a publicly traded corporation acted in the long term interests of EVERY shareholder and didn't just parasitically extract value from the company for themselves and a handful of LARGE shareholders? Facebook is essentially the personal property of Mark Zuckerberg

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