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Re: Eleven Music

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Post by kev009 »

stronglikedan wrote: post #125
tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

The "Don’t Let Me Go" and "Yellow Bus Jam" examples made me laugh out loud. This kind of thing would be great for a cyberpunk game that dynamically generates a reality, with (unintentional?) faux pas and jank.

If you are an artist you could always slice, embellish, or otherwise process outputs into something so I guess it's not totally silly. But I get at best real estate video vibes, or unironic early '90s clip art and Comic Sans vibes and presumably some team of expensive marketers worked hard to select these examples, which is doubly hilarious.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by CamperBob2 »

nonhaver wrote: post #126
thefaux wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because the people pushing the boundaries do not understand the value of the thing they are trying to commoditize. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to commoditize it. There is a pervasive attitude among technologists that they can improve things they don't understand through technological efficiency. They are wrong in this case and getting appropriate pushback. Personally, music is sacred for me so making mo…

Well put and reflects my thoughts exactly. It's borderline concerning there are people who consume this type of media by choice and forethought.

And they consume it without checking with you first. That's got to be the worst part.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by electrondood »

tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

I had the same sentiment, but also recall what generated human hands looked like a year ago vs. now.

The solo was pretty funny though.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

anigbrowl wrote: post #102
qgin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your art can be replaced by a model that recycles what’s already been done, maybe you were just recycling what’s already been done too.

How do you expect people to get good when AI is pushing them out of the entry-level stages where they were previously able to earn a modest living while developing their craft? > oh now they won't have to do that boring mindless stuff like playing cover versions any more That's how most musicians make their first $, doing covers or making something generic enough to be saleable as background music

AI eats the seedcorn. Anyone that needs space to grow? Crowded out. Entry level incomes, replaced. No more entry, sorry.

For all of human civilization the future has been built on the backs of those the came before (on the backs of giants). But that climb is slowing, maybe halting. Which then compounds when the new giants that would have risen up don't. AI replaces the messy, slow process of becoming with instant regurgitation, replaces those that would have grown. The future, built on the backs of giants, stalls when those giants never get the chance to rise.

AI is entropy weaponized against every layer of future progress. But everyone is too busy salivating at potential cost savings to see it.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by neom »

It's interesting to me people really hate AI gen'd music, some people I know literally won't listen to it and just like... get kinda angry I even tried to show them what I made (so I stopped showing people for now). I have a good memory for sound, but whatever neurodiversity I have makes learning instruments (and math, and written words, and and) super challenging. I loved screwing around remixing stuff in Abelton, but I've not touched it since suno. I just looked at my suno library, I've gen'd 1,100 tracks since March 18th, 2024. The levels of audiophile or...musicophile? is pretty wide, but I don't think I'm a total n00b and I think some of the stuff I've made is actually pretty good, even if I do say so myself (and I'm fine even if I just make it for myself to listen to, as that's what I always did anyway). :)

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by Freedom5093 »

tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

I thought it was pretty rhythmic

I would've believed he's real, just passionate about music on his big yellow bus.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by weego »

amradio1989 wrote: post #13

I could be wrong, but I think the use case here is mainly for non-artists in domains where the music is not particularly important. For example, a podcaster/youtuber may want a short intro track. An entertainer or a marketer may want some generic or silly background music. Does it have a use case for a producer/musician? Maybe. It might give them ideas for chord progressions, melodies, etc. But real music does that t…

It definitely has a use case for prototyping sound design, which can be either incredibly time consuming or require an awful lot of niche expensive gear. Something like playing around to get an unusual drone can take a lot of time and effort. Being able to 'describe it' and get 80%+ there is a huge win.

And if you're focused on chopping up samples and sounds on an ableton push or similar this can be a tool of endless possibilities.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by tlaverdure »

stronglikedan wrote: post #125
tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

I'm not anti-AI, but I strongly believe the human element of music can be imitated but not fully replicated. Listening back to that song I can hear the attempt to stylistically play slightly off-beat to get the feel of a band playing without a metronome. The auditory illusion is there, but it still sounds off. Playing behind the beat is a feeling; it's not a calculation.

As a drummer keeps time, the band reacts by looking at the drummer’s hands and the sway in their posture. A drummer intensifies their playing as they respond to the feeling of air being pushed from guitar cabinets. A lead guitarist looks back at their friends and smiles when they are about to play that sweet lick that the bass player likes to play along with.

These are just simple examples that make all the difference when you listen back. I also can't imagine paying hundreds of dollars to go see an AI "perform" this solo at a concert. When I listen to music, I'm remembering the moment, the feeling, what the artist was doing to create their art. So still... no thanks!

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by thepryz »

colechristensen wrote: post #38
thepryz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easy and popular to hate on pop music, but even pop music has value and requires a certain skill to understand what resonates with people. This is taking a monkeys on a typewriter approach to all music. Click a button, see what the monkeys made and then click another button to publish to Spotify while you figure out a way to either market the music or just game search and digital assistants by creating an artist…

>music becoming superficial and lacking intentionality, or dare I say it, soul. This phrase though could be plunked down at any point in the last hundred years and you'd find someone making it. About autotune or electric guitars or rock or jazz or punk or disco or Philp Glass or Stravinsky... one could go on for a long time.

You’ll always have naysayers, but I think there’s a difference between someone who doesn’t understand or share the appeal of rock or jazz or an artist like Philip Glass where music is made by someone choosing what notes to play, what rhythms, what words and the music that comes out of a statistical model.

You can’t tell me that Philip Glass didn’t understand or agonize over the music when creating it. The creative process is vastly different and that’s my point.

Oh course, there will be artists who use AI in new and creative ways, someone like Brian Transeau who routinely codes tools for creating electronic music. but for most artists, I fear it will just lead to mindless button clicking and prompt manipulation until it’s formulaic because the base model is the same. Or it will result in fewer people learning instruments or music theory and truly experimenting with things that haven’t been done before.

I see AI as having great potential in both art and productivity but maybe it’s just that I don’t trust people to use it responsibly. We’re inherently lazy and easily distracted by anything that will give us that dopamine fix.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by throwawayoldie »

dawnerd wrote: post #113
throwawayoldie wrote: post #42

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It's already bad enough before this came out on the different streaming platforms. People are grifting off known musicians and labeling them as album artists to get their awful ai songs put into mixes.

This is a shitty timeline and I would like to transfer to a better one. Hey, maybe these AIs can tell me how to do that.
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