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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Henchman21 »

dylan604 wrote: post #108
Spivak wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? The government gets to cheat and use the IRL ID verification they do already for licenses. * You create your account as part of your license renewal and have a normal-ass login. As part of that your account is manually marked as being 18+ (or just your age) by the person behind the counter. * The government publishes a few public certs which will be used to verify. * Then you go to your ac…

> The problem gets a lot easier when you have a country wide IRL ID system already in place and can write laws. every time a country wide ID comes up, people freak the fuck out about state's rights and it being a power grab. people are already freaking out about RealID. it will take a very authoritarian system to force this through, yet it's the supporters of that leader that are the most vocally against it.

Hard disagree. The Right Wing Noise Machine freaks out. That is not what people generally think. That’s what they’re TOLD to think, by people who have an agenda to sew discontent.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Henchman21 »

wood_spirit wrote: post #75
anon7000 wrote: post #73

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Oh no, then the government will know how old I am!! (/s)

They will also know your habits and kinks etc.

What makes you think they don’t already?

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by beeflet »

LocalH wrote: post #106
supriyo-biswas wrote: post #51

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I’ve often talked about in private settings about how running open source OSes and DRM-free setups would likely become illegal in the future. With every passing day this vision seems closer to reality.

The slowly boiled death of general-purpose computing

A slow-boiled GNU with a hardened kernel, and a side of salted hashes please

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by MBCook »

sapphicsnail wrote: post #127
MBCook wrote: post #124

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The solution is easy. A government national ID. The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports. But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites. All of that obviously ignores the problems in pri…

I'd rather have a mess than allow the federal government to have more power over me. I'm trans and I would have to out myself every time I needed to show ID if I had to give up my state driver's license. I like not having to worry about getting harassed whenever I want to go to a bar.

I hear you. I really do.

I like the idea of a way of verifying who you are (in that you’re a real person) and age (so you could prove ability to do 18/21+ things).

I see no reason why random companies/etc would need to know gender identity, name, etc.

None of that is relevant to buying alcohol. If they need something, e.g. name on a mortgage, then maybe it’s optionally provided, under my control. I don’t know.

I’m not seriously suggesting we do this. They were clear downsides before the last 10 years made all of them ridiculously clear.

It’s more I hate the current mess and wish something nicer existed. I think it’s fixable in the abstract. But even if we had a good idea for a better system I don’t know how we’d get there. Between sovereign citizen nuts one side who don’t think there should ever be any way to prove they ever existed, to people like you with very clear and good reasons for fearing changes it just seems impossible.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by beeflet »

isoprophlex wrote: post #120

"Open your mouth to verify your age" Not that different from "Drink a verification can to continue". Hilariously dystopian.

The best part is that this is going to work for about 5 days until someone develops a computer model of a face that can simulate the inside of the mouth. Then we have two problems!

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by MBCook »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #125
MBCook wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is easy. A government national ID. The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports. But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites. All of that obviously ignores the problems in pri…

This is one of my biggest issues with pretty much any ID verification legislation. If the Gov wants to enforce ID verification, it is incumbent on the Gov to bend over backwards to ensure that everyone impacted is given a free, secure ID. I refuse to accept any situation where someone is excluded from public participation because they can't afford or are otherwise unable to acquire an ID.

I agree. It’s a problem we already have.

Drivers licenses are the de facto one today. You can also get an id card for those who can’t drive.

But it’s fully incumbent on you to do it. You have to arrange transportation to get it, have the free time, necessary documents, live close enough, etc.

That already causes problems for people, and is getting worse as voter ID laws get passed.

“Everyone gets an ID once you’ve figured out these riddles three and gone on a quest” is a stupid system.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by computerthings »

dom96 wrote: post #58
jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by jfyi »

leshenka wrote: post #104
amoshi wrote: post #77

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>It’s an on-device model that only submits the outcome of the scan to the platform. And that's why it's been bypassed already https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1949036664132657225

No way discord has enabled devtools haha On the other note, can one attach chrome devtools to any electron application?

It was available with ctrl+shift+I for forever in their desktop client. It only changed in the last 2 years or so.

Pretty sure it's just a flag somewhere to re-enable.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by benhurmarcel »

kingstnap wrote: post #72
parsimo2010 wrote: post #61

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When you place all the requirements on a software product like what the government has to, then it’s going to be expensive. Anyone who thinks that the total cost of a privacy protecting, government accredited, widely available, reliable, audited, and domestically produced age verification system isn’t going to be in the hundreds of millions has never actually shipped something comparable. It is literally illegal to s…

A small group of closely working skilled engineers would produce something more reliable and far less likely to have a privacy breach than the typical government contracting system. The idea that a small group of people can't produce something that can scale to millions of people is just false. It also wouldn't just be cheaper; it would be better. The "government" way of doing things would be far more likely to be br…

> A small group of closely working skilled engineers would produce something more reliable and far less likely to have a privacy breach than the typical government contracting system.

Large technological companies are unable to pull this off either, it’s unrealistic to expect it from a government.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by astrange »

Telemakhos wrote: post #54
progbits wrote: post #46

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Because that's their goal. Make you scared about using things that are even legal but private/embarrassing.

It's a great first step toward making criticism of the government scary. Porn, hate speech, and other "legal but private/embarrassing" speech are the sharp end of the spear. When it's okay to restrict those, it becomes more easier to restrict political opposition.

Nobody in the UK cares about "criticism of the government". That's a paranoid concept that only makes sense in a presidential system like the US.

In Westminster systems you can kick out the government all you want and often do. The point of the constitutional monarchy is to separate the people you "shouldn't criticize" from the people who actually have any power.

The reason they're doing this is that British people hate themselves, hate their children, and the purpose of the country is to take everyone's money and give it to pensioners.

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