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Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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I spend many months in India every year and I've been paying with RuPay and UPI for the past 5 years exclusively. It works, and India saved 1-2% of all digital payments going to some leechy foreign middlemen who do nothing.

V/M would love to "but fraud" us sadly the actual payment fraud % is much lower than claimed and easily dealt with by the issuing/receiving banks.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Argentina we have Mercado Pago which is basically this.

It is not the same. Mercado Pago is a product from Mercado Livre and charges at least 0.8% per transaction.

If you transfer between accounts is free.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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post #11

Now this is a "tech company" problem I wish the EU would tackle. Why do these American companies get to decide what I'm allowed to purchase?

I'm afraid the EU's stance on individual freedom is much worse though, if Visa/MasterCard were to originate from Europe.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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India did great by introducing UPI and subsequently RuPay to face these duopoly behemoths. UPI replaced queues to ATMs in general since one could typically scan a QR code and have the amount transferred in seconds. This is far more modern than ACH equivalents US has. But the downside is that it is a debit transaction; if you're scammed, there is usually no way to retrieve it unless a court orders so.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Brazil central bank introduced Pix a few years ago. It took over the country as the public basic infrastructure for money transfer. Totally free and instantaneous transactions between people and companies, available to all banks. Then, just last week, the US presidency launched an investigation considering Pix an unfair trade practice against the US. Actions like that may show the current direction of the US governme…

FedNow is still a thing, at least for now.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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India did great by introducing UPI and subsequently RuPay to face these duopoly behemoths. UPI replaced queues to ATMs in general since one could typically scan a QR code and have the amount transferred in seconds. This is far more modern than ACH equivalents US has. But the downside is that it is a debit transaction; if you're scammed, there is usually no way to retrieve it unless a court orders so.

It feels broadly desirable to have a court decide what is and isn't a scam and perhaps hand out punishment instead of having a private entity act as the judge and executioner.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not with the new acts passed this last week. Only established players are in that space now (Also - this is going to get way worse now with fees devaluing the dollar that are now invisible to the average consumer).

Which acts are you referring to? Care to elaborate?

Look at the GENIUS Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/394...

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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India did great by introducing UPI and subsequently RuPay to face these duopoly behemoths. UPI replaced queues to ATMs in general since one could typically scan a QR code and have the amount transferred in seconds. This is far more modern than ACH equivalents US has. But the downside is that it is a debit transaction; if you're scammed, there is usually no way to retrieve it unless a court orders so.

It feels broadly desirable to have a court decide what is and isn't a scam and perhaps hand out punishment instead of having a private entity act as the judge and executioner.

Absolutely. Except that it is much harder to raise a dispute with UPI than, say, with a Chase card that used Visa network. But, I much prefer the national offerings to a private company charging as much as 0.5% of transaction value for doing almost nothing.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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post #44

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People always cite the first-order benefits of this regulation but don't look into anything else. To be clear, I haven't either but what I would look for is: - are real prices cheaper for consumers? - is economic activity higher or lower (i.e. maybe credit cards encourage purchases?) - does making credit cards a less lucrative business lower credit card penetration? - is lowering credit card penetration, particularly…

and along the same lines, how good is the fraud prevention, detection, and recovery?

US banks lose about 3x more to fraud than average and about 10x more than some countries with sane regulators. Those are direct losses, not accounting for "prevention, detection, and recovery" costs.

Re: Visa and Mastercard: The global payment duopoly (2024)

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About half of the world population has access to some sort of QR based payment system nowadays. India has UPI, China has Ali and Wechat pay. Almost everyone in these two countries can go weeks without having to use cash. In South East Asia, Vietnam is leading QR payments. I live in Ha Noi, and I only carry VND equivalent of $15-20 with me, and it sits in the wallet for ages. Everything from gas stations to restaurant…

Europe (41 countries) has instant SEPA.

SEPA is a banking infrastructure layer and it is not consumer focused. Also, only ~60% of European banks adopted it. While Pix was mandatory for all banks to adopt and 80% of Brazilian population already used it.
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