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Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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>>There aren't enough anti satellite missiles in the world to make a dent, it would cost trillions to manufacture enough Few big nukes are enough to take out all satellites.

I don't believe this is true. And of course detonating nukes in space would be an act of war against the whole world.

nukes optimized for EMP may be able to do this just fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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If it were BGP/routing, you would think we'd be able to still get a signal and the modem would think it's healthy (although maybe not if the issue prevented us from obtaining our public IP), we just wouldn't be able to route to any dst. In the current case we don't have a signal (orange light on the modem)

Does the orange light specifically mean no RF link at all? Or does it include anything that prevents the modem from getting an IP address and route configuration? If the latter, BGP could still be at fault if it took out access to the control planes on the ground. But again all just guessing, from the outside all I see is the BGP routes are still being announced, and everyone seems to be seeing 100% packet loss and z…

Right, good point that could be the case, those were just my assumptions and probably jumping to conclusions on my part speculating that orange means no signal (don't actually have any idea :) ). Imagine it could be any of what you said too.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Well my boss is in a cabin in the wilderness somewhere and his only access to the internet is via Starling, so that's great news!

I've heard of IP over pigeons, but using starlings is innovative.

Starlings are lower bandwidth than pigeons

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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>>There aren't enough anti satellite missiles in the world to make a dent, it would cost trillions to manufacture enough Few big nukes are enough to take out all satellites.

> Few big nukes are enough to take out all satellites. Um, no. Not even vaguely remotely. "Thousands of satellites" is a lot by historical human space standards, but compare that to the number of cars you see every day and then remember these are spread out over an area bigger then the surface of the entire planet. Don't be fooled by the simulation maps you can find online, where the satellites and tracks are shown t…

> Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles (1,450 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian Islands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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My money is on a misconfigured switch or hub that allowed a broadcast storm that shut down all of their edge devices! Additional points for a user to cause the loop by plugging an rj-45 where they weren't supposed to, despite no warning or label telling them not to!

...in space?

Cat 9 cables are rated for low crosstalk links in LEO, though I'm not sure how Starlink solved the problem where the cable would tend to wind around the earth because of the speed difference between LEO and the Earth's rotation.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Curious as to what could cause a global outage like that. The system consists of birds in the air and individual ground stations. There's no big choke point that I'm aware of that could cause the whole shebang to go dark. Am I missing something here?

My money is on a misconfigured switch or hub that allowed a broadcast storm that shut down all of their edge devices! Additional points for a user to cause the loop by plugging an rj-45 where they weren't supposed to, despite no warning or label telling them not to!

I think the network putting out warning labels to prevent loops is probably worse off than the place that just forgot to leave some form of loop prevention enabled.

Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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FYI, Vodafone and other major European mobile networks were down during the last few days. This is hybrid warfare, not a coincidence. Russia needs to learn some manners, the hard way.

Not a very technical root cause analysis you have there. Can you leave geopolitics out of it until it's confirmed? Other social media networks may tolerate this but this is not HN worthy.

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Re: Starlink is currently experiencing a service outage

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Cyberattack. Given the usage in active wars, it's a big juicy target. There's precedent too; Russia hacked Viasat at the start of the Ukraine war. They actually bricked user terminals in that attack.

FYI, Vodafone and other major European mobile networks were down during the last few days. This is hybrid warfare, not a coincidence. Russia needs to learn some manners, the hard way.

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