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Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by lencastre »

ozgung wrote: post #126
dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

> The excuse "but you earn six figures, what' $200/month to you?" doesn't really capture the issue here. Just like every other subscription model, including the one in the Black Mirror episode, Common People. The value is too good to be true for the price at the beginning. But you become their prisoner in the long run, with increasing prices and degrading quality.

Can you expand on your argument?

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by lubujackson »

exitb wrote: post #24
theodorewiles wrote: post #2

My question on all of the “can’t work with big codebases” is how would a codebase that was designed for an LLM look like? Composed of many many small functions that can be composed together?

And on top of that - can you steer an LLM to create this kind of code? In my experience the models don’t really have a „taste” for detecting complexity creep and reengineering for simplicity, in the same way an experienced human does.

I am vibe coding a complex app. You can certainly keep things clean but the trick is to enforce a rigid structure. This does add a veneer of complexity but simplifies " implement this new module" or "add this feature across all relevant files".

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by webappguy »

dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

I personally can’t wait for programming to ‘die’. It has stolen a decade of my life minimum. Like veterinarians being trained to help pets ultimately finding out a huge portion of the job is killing them. I was not sufficiently informed that I’d spend a decade arguing languages, dealing with thousands of other developers with diverging opinions, legacy code, poorly if at all maintained libraries, tools, frameworks, etc if you have been in the game at least a decade please don’t @. Adios to programming as it was (happily welcoming a new DIFFERENT reality whatever that means). Nostalgia is for life, not staring at a screen 8hrs a day

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by antirez »

Keyframe wrote: post #15

Unlike OP, from my still limited but intense month or so diving into this topic so far, I had better luck with Gemini 2.5 PRO and Opus 4 on more abstract level like architecture etc. and then dealing input to Sonnet for coding. I found 2.5 PRO, and to a lesser degree Opus, were hit or miss; A lot of instances of them circling around the issue and correcting itself when coding (Gemini especially so), whereas Sonnet wo…

Totally possible. In general I believe that while more powerful in their best outputs, Sonnet/Opus 4 are in other ways (alignment / consistency) a regression on Sonnet 3.5v2 (often called Sonnet 3.6), as Sonnet 3.7 was. Also models are complex objects, and sometimes in a given domain a given model that on paper is weaker will work better. And, on top of that: interactive use vs agent requires different reinforcement learning training that sometimes may not be towards an aligned target... So also using the model in one way or the other may change how good it is.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by appleaday1 »

antirez wrote: post #35
bgwalter wrote: post #16

Translation: His company will launch "AI" products in order to get funding or better compete with Valkey. I find it very sad that people who have been really productive without "AI" now go out of their way to find small anecdotal evidence for "AI".

Did you read my post? I hope you didn’t. This post has nothing to do with Redis and is even a follow up to a post I wrote before rejoining the company.

OP as a free user of Gemini 2.5 Pro via Ai studio my friend has been hit by the equivalent of a car breaking approximately 3 weeks, I hope they can recover soon, it is not easy for them.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by appleaday1 »

kgwgk wrote: post #98
syntheticnature wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is HN. We don't read posts here.

Amen. I have to confess that I made an exception here though. This may be the first submission I read before going into the comments in years.

Please send your thoughts and prayers to Gemini 2.5 Pro hopefully they can recover and get well soon enough, I hope Google lets them out of the hospital soon and discharges them, the last 3 week has been hell for me without them there.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by jordanbeiber »

lencastre wrote: post #131
ozgung wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The excuse "but you earn six figures, what' $200/month to you?" doesn't really capture the issue here. Just like every other subscription model, including the one in the Black Mirror episode, Common People. The value is too good to be true for the price at the beginning. But you become their prisoner in the long run, with increasing prices and degrading quality.

Can you expand on your argument?

The argument is perhaps ”enshittification”, and that becoming reliant on a specific provider or even set of providers for ”important thing” will become problematic over time.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by jacooper »

dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

Kimi k2 exists now.

Re: Coding with LLMs in the summer of 2025 – an update

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

dakiol wrote: post #25

> Gemini 2.5 PRO | Claude Opus 4 Whether it's vibe coding, agentic coding, or copy pasting from the web interface to your editor, it's still sad to see the normalization of private (i.e., paid) LLM models. I like the progress that LLMs introduce and I see them as a powerful tool, but I cannot understand how programmers (whether complete nobodies or popular figures) dont mind adding a strong dependency on a third part…

LLMS are basically free? Yes you're rate limited but I have just started paying for them now, before I'd bounce around between the providers but still free
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