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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by xyst »

egypturnash wrote: post #108

Okay so is Steam enough of a money printer for Valve to say "well fuck you guys, we'll make our own credit card with hookers and bingo"? And hold out Half-Life 3 (only purchasable with the ValveCard) as a carrot?

Nope. Even a company such as valve would be intimidated by the regulation of setting up their own company payment network outside the traditional banking system.

Maybe crypto is an option but I haven’t seen use in retail. Only speculation instrument.

Apple tried. Failed. Google tried. Failed. Only thing that works is partnering up with existing bank

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Post by rib3ye »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #124
egypturnash wrote: post #108

Okay so is Steam enough of a money printer for Valve to say "well fuck you guys, we'll make our own credit card with hookers and bingo"? And hold out Half-Life 3 (only purchasable with the ValveCard) as a carrot?

I am genuinely curious who can actually threaten Visa (I do not think it is Valve). Amazon, Walmart, Target and then increasingly unsure.

Likely Apple currently has the deepest finance industry roots.

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Post by bdangubic »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #127
bdangubic wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love a good “POTUS” conspiracy as much as the next guy but The Late Show cancelation is a simple money game, the show was bleeeding money. If the show was profitable the chance of it being cancelled are same as me dating Beyonce

Technically yes, but the money game was CBS losing a massive lawsuit to POTUS.

I would agree with this if this was factual, the money cbs paid via 60 minutes nonsense is same if you were fined a dime for something you did today. so not “massive” but whatever is the exact opposite of massive

The show itself was losing viewership cause who the F watches late night TV these days?

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Post by zerocrates »

moralestapia wrote: post #109
benjiro wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, cash is slowly getting phased out. Try buying a second hand car and you want cash from the bank. Used to be very easy, but now you need to declare what your spending your money on. You sold your car. O, its over 7 or 10k, well, this is getting reported to the local IRS. Where is that cash coming from, questions, questions? Over here they are even cracking down on stuff like ebay, amazon because some pe…

>You sold your car. O, its over 7 or 10k, well, this is getting reported to the local IRS. Where is that cash coming from, questions, questions? (I'm not in the US) I'm curious about how does that happen. Do they reach out to you? Your bank?

Your bank will file a report with FinCEN that says that you withdrew (or deposited, or transferred, or whatever) the money. They can/will also separately report suspicious transactions, including patterns of transactions that seem designed to evade the reporting requirements.

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Post by maxlin »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #118
eddythompson80 wrote: post #98

Link for the petition and its signers. https://www.collectiveshout.org/open-letter-to-payment-proce... https://www.heise.de/en/news/Steam-Payment-providers-force-V...

Reverse petition where?

Seconded.

Regards: Game dev who cares about conservation and doesn't like chilling effects.

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Post by soared »

egypturnash wrote: post #108

Okay so is Steam enough of a money printer for Valve to say "well fuck you guys, we'll make our own credit card with hookers and bingo"? And hold out Half-Life 3 (only purchasable with the ValveCard) as a carrot?

The problem is if visa/etc say no, valve instantly loses ~70% of their sales. So it’s a bet they won’t win

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Post by josephcsible »

krapp wrote: post #113
encom wrote: post #104

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From what I can tell, only one country in the world has free speech. Actual free speech. USA.

I don't know what your definition of "actual" free speech is but there are certainly limits to free speech even in the US[0]. And those are just explicit limits. Try supporting Palestine on a college campus or mentioning women or gay people in any government funded scientific publication, or finding a book portraying pro-LGBT content in a library or a school curriculum that portrays slavery in a way that "makes white…

Isn't freedom of speech just "you're allowed to say whatever you want", and not "you're entitled to the use of taxpayer dollars to help distribute your message" or "you're entitled to have the government force children to read your message"?

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Post by encom »

krapp wrote: post #113
encom wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell, only one country in the world has free speech. Actual free speech. USA.

I don't know what your definition of "actual" free speech is but there are certainly limits to free speech even in the US[0]. And those are just explicit limits. Try supporting Palestine on a college campus or mentioning women or gay people in any government funded scientific publication, or finding a book portraying pro-LGBT content in a library or a school curriculum that portrays slavery in a way that "makes white…

The limits to speech (in USA) depends (roughly) on if it's intended to incite imminent lawless action and is likely to do so.

Actual speech is communicating ideas or opinions, even distasteful or unpopular ones. The fact that university morons throw a riot if anyone disagrees with them (many such cases), does not affect your right to do so.

Denmark passed a law in 2023 that makes public burning, tearing, stepping on, or defiling holy texts illegal. It's informally called the Quran Law, because everyone knows who doesn't tolerate any criticism of their religion at all. This is one of many limits on speech in Denmark. In my view, speech is either free or it isn't, hence my argument that only USA has free speech.

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Post by amelius »

bji9jhff wrote: post #59

It is sad that in 2025 this needs to be repeated: fiction is not real. This statement imply that: * Simulated violence is not violence. * Simulated sex is not sex. * Simulated sorcery is not sorcery

Violence is still considered ok in games, last time I checked.

Which is possibly because violence is not as awkward to watch with your family as sex is.

Re: Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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Post by xyst »

rib3ye wrote: post #132
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am genuinely curious who can actually threaten Visa (I do not think it is Valve). Amazon, Walmart, Target and then increasingly unsure.

Likely Apple currently has the deepest finance industry roots.

If you consider the minutiae of percentage apple shaves off transactions with Apple Pay. Sure.

But they have partnered with GS and MC. Far from any sort of "finance industry roots".

They essentially offer a fancy UI on top of GS products and other traditional banks.

Apple Cash -> Green Dot or some other no name bank

Apple Card -> Goldman Sachs

Apple Pay -> some very small percentage of the bank and network fees charged to merchants

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