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Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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What exactly is the privacy issue with detecting when a process begins using the microphone?

Following my habits, and reporting to a data broker that how I use my microphone, allowing even more precise profiling of my life circumstances or habits.

We don’t report your habits to any data broker. This information use used purely for local UI.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Hey! 1. Notion records audio only during your use of the Meeting Notes feature. Here are the docs: https://www.notion.com/help/ai-meeting-notes 2. Notion desktop app has notifications about meetings that ask you if you want to use Meeting Notes, it recognizes this by detecting that your microphone is on (i.e. it does not listen to audio coming from your microphone). This feature is a setting in preferences btw, under…

Why didn't Notion ask for my affirmative consent before monitoring my network traffic? Are there other cases where Notion is monitoring my network traffic? If so, what are they?

There's no network traffic monitoring, not sure what the support agent is talking about -- I think they misunderstood something.

See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Notion/comments/1i4ypl8/comment/m8o... for info about the "local network access" permission

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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I thought you had to give explicit permission for an app to monitor network traffic in macOS? I'm assuming your app asks for this, but it sounds like Notion does not if the GP was surprised by the monitoring.

My Notion install (macOS) asked to discover devices on my network. I'm assuming this permission is related to "monitoring network traffic".

I think this has to do with Chromium x MacOS -- https://issues.chromium.org/issues/346505950

https://x.com/rauchg/status/1846590635677004039?s=46&t=kVfjh...

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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I’ve come to hate Notion with passion because of its abysmal performance, but I still pay for it for my small business. My non-technical employees use it as a database for clients, tasks, payments etc. I tried to research replacements several times, and still haven’t found anything good. Sometimes I wonder if I should build my own.

Bummer performance is a problem for ya. We've worked on it a ton over the past year or two and generally performance should be much better across the board. Feel free to email me (username @ makenotion.com) if you have example pages that are slow you're willing to share. thanks!

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Following my habits, and reporting to a data broker that how I use my microphone, allowing even more precise profiling of my life circumstances or habits.

We don’t report your habits to any data broker. This information use used purely for local UI.

Yet... you don't report habits to a data broker yet. It is currently used for local UI.

Once you already are in the habit of evading user-privacy, it's a only a couple of down quarters before you start tracking and sending data to data brokers or someone else. This is why no one here likes this behavior.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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We don’t report your habits to any data broker. This information use used purely for local UI.

Yet... you don't report habits to a data broker yet . It is currently used for local UI. Once you already are in the habit of evading user-privacy, it's a only a couple of down quarters before you start tracking and sending data to data brokers or someone else. This is why no one here likes this behavior.

Delta Airlines has entered the chat.

As more and more companies start to use AI for “personalized”/targeted pricing, offers, advertising, etc. The more this exact type of data will be useful and therefore lucrative.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Notion and all these kinds of apps are available for Linux. But yeah, I don't recommend using them. Just use them in the browser.

There is no "native" app for Linux.

By your definition, there is no "native" app for any platform. It's all just Electron.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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I’m wondering if integrating this with nocodb mentioned above would work, as i also use databases in documents.

You could use the Iframe embed feature to embed your NocoDB databases.

That’s really clumsy ux wise (scrollbars, surrounding content on nocodb page probably). I’d need a deeper integration i.e ability to link to rows directly at a minimum using @ like in notion without looking up row url.

Re: Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network

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Following my habits, and reporting to a data broker that how I use my microphone, allowing even more precise profiling of my life circumstances or habits.

We don’t report your habits to any data broker. This information use used purely for local UI.

Sorry if it came through like that. I didn't mean to say Notion shares personal data to broker(s). I just wanted to highlight where it can go.

Please don't forget: Road to hell is paved with good intentions. Making features which can eavesdrop on users opt-in can go very wrong, very fast.

I understand the need to make it "feel like magic", but that line is very thin.

Last note, please when you move something around (e.g. Calculate button from bottom of the database columns to header menu), please let users know. It really feels bad when you use something too much just disappears.

BTW, I'm a Notion subscriber as you can say :)

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