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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
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#132This Apple policy is the only thing stopping chrome from having a full monopoly, and we should be careful trying to remove it
That is some wild moral coating.
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#133Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…
I have never experienced this on iOS. I just tested it in Google maps and despite having Chrome installed it opened in Safari (my default) with no prompting or extra steps, it just immediately opened Safari
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Western governments just need to toughen up. If China tells Apple to stop doing something by next Monday, they'll have it changed by then. "But due process!!". For individuals and SMEs, sure. For mega companies, absolutely not . Getting to rake in billions of profits should come with a loss of privileges, not with a gain. That needs to be the trade-off.
>But due process!!". If only they would give the same due process to the users and app devs before they close their accounts. Companies want and exploit all the perks of the liberal democratic western societies that helped them make what they are today and reciprocate with defying the laws and tax avoidance, while bowing down to foreign dictatorships no problem. The only way you stop them abusing this is to put an ex…
It's not just that people go to jail in the PRC, after all it's not like Tim Cook or other western executives need fear extradition to the PRC or something, it's more like because for better or (mostly) worse the PRC is a single party government, if one aspect of that government says "do this, or we close this 1.3 billion person market to you," it's a threat with actual teeth.
In the USA any given administration can try something like that and one party or the other will work with whatever company is being sanctioned out of pure spite, or will know that divisions in the USA mean that all that a company needs to do is play just enough lip service to appear respectful to the current admin. Worse case scenario, they wait four years. See: nvidia flagrantly selling cards to the PRC through Singapore.
I disagree with the "dictatorship of the proletariat" ideology, but to be fair the remnants of it that survived Deng Xiaoping does seem to somewhat work in resisting the influence of foreign capitalists.
Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA
#135Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…
The most infuriating of those are when you do a web search from safari and google give you an overlay on the result asking if you want to “continue” and if you do want to “continue” it tries to install the google app and breaks any way of getting back to your search. Because continue doesn’t mean “continue what you are doing”
I can’t believe that their search deal with apple allows that.
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#136I wonder why they should make iOS specific engines. To be honest only two things come to my mind: Shortcuts Integration and WebExtensions. Currently Orion is trying to bring extensions but I think there is a lot to be done for that to be considered operational and if that proves to work, then only remains Shortcuts which only lets you inject JS, or say get the content of a page from a "Safari" web page (while I think…
Browser engines define the capabilities of web apps and websites. When they don't support APIs or have bugs, they impact negatively web software. Apple's WebKit is renowned to be lagging behind, refusing to implement crucial features and being rigged with bugs, hence limiting the capabilities and quality of web apps, and effectively preventing them to compete with native apps. Getting other browser engines on iOS wou…
So these web apps will prompt the user to install and configure a third-party browser engine?
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Too often the only sites I find are broken in Firefox are "necessary" things like financial and medical things. I rarely see any issue with hobby and nonsense sites where "laziness" might be excusable. It's the perverse incentives where companies with a captive audience that can't easily churn will be the ones that ship broken half-arsed sites and not care. One phenomena I am seeing more that makes me boil with fury…
> One phenomena I am seeing more that makes me boil with fury is infinite captchas in Firefox This is driven by enhanced tracking prevention. If you turn that off for the respective site, then it goes away.
Good to know.
Pretty sure I try disabling protections in such situations but maybe not. I returned to the last site that did it to me to try this out (on a different machine) and it didn't captcha me at all with protections on! Ugh.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tech giants need to be dismantled.
Western governments just need to toughen up. If China tells Apple to stop doing something by next Monday, they'll have it changed by then. "But due process!!". For individuals and SMEs, sure. For mega companies, absolutely not . Getting to rake in billions of profits should come with a loss of privileges, not with a gain. That needs to be the trade-off.
I agree, we shouldn’t have due process for corporations.
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#140On top of that, iOS continues to push Safari on users by disregarding their default browser settings. Steps to reproduce: 0. Select a different default browser, delete the Safari app (just for good measure, even though it's not really possible just like deleting IE in older Win versions) 1. Open the Books app 2. Select text 3. Select Search 4. Press Search the Web 5. Safari search results open as you stare in disbeli…
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