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GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by sbuk »

hnriot wrote: post #120
grannyg00se wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't behave typically on Windows 7 either. Clicking the window close button doesn't close the app, it closes the currently open document. Also, ALT+F4 doesn't close the app either, just the current document. This is in single-window mode where closing the window should close the app. Fortunately CTRL-Q does what it's supposed to. Oh, and great job GIMP folks. I love GIMP and recommend it often. I've even tried to…

so far I have a 0% conversion rate that's not surprising given that the GIMP pales by comparison to photoshop. There's just no comparison. I think the high price of Adobe Creative suite has always been there because any professional uses it and buys it, but Adobe knows there are many illegal copies used by students and they just assume they one day will get jobs and then they will be paid users, meanwhile the illegal…

Photoshop is hardly a beacon of software done right. In my experience (been using Photoshop pretty much everyday since 1991) it has got considerably more bloated and unstable with each release, the exception perhaps being 5.5.

The benefit that Photoshop has is familiarity and Adobe's pricing structure is that of an abusive monopoly - they know they can charge as much as they do because they have a monopoly. This monopoly was earned in large part because early on, Photoshop was the most accessible app.round about 5.0 Adobe started to get sloppy.

I've started using Pixelmator for about half the image work I do on the Mac and IMHO it represents excellent value for money. It works like Photoshop used to do. It's lacking some feature, mainly the ability to work in colour channels, but for the price, it's hard to beat.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by scoofy »

armored_mammal wrote: post #121
scoofy wrote: post #61

Why can't i move a selection within a layer? This has to be the most persistent problem in the mac version that hasn't been fixed. With every new GIMP version i curse this bug.

It's a GIMP thing, unless I'm misunderstanding you: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-selections.html

>>hold down Ctrl+Alt keys and click-and-drag the selection. This makes the original place empty. A floating selection is created. The required key commands may differ on your system, look in the status bar to see if another combination is specified; for example, Shift+Ctrl+Alt.

This does not function on mac as far as i know. You cannot even manually do it in the selection options.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by ktizo »

mrpollo wrote: post #83
mikeryan wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone who's not doing graphics as their main job description it is a photoshop killer. Doing Graphics is not my main job description, far from it (somewhere between damage control and janitor is more like it), but I still do a lot of front end development, at my job I prefer to do all the graphics production work myself for the apps I'm building and have tried using GIMP a crap ton of times over the years - I've…

Can't agree more, I'm a front-end developer and for years I have tried to move from OS X to Ubuntu but I always come back to OS X and one of the top reasons is the Photoshop > GIMP situation, have tried to use it but I can never get any productivity out of it, it feels like trying to use a hammer to get a screw in the wall.

I use it on commercial work sometimes, and I would agree that gimp is usability hell, but functionally very useful for a number of things.

I keep meaning to go and have a look at the source to see how easy it would be to reskin, because it could be a nice cross platform starting point for anyone wanting to make a really nice image editor, that doesn't ape photoshop, but goes for the less technical users while still having a mass of good functionality. Y'know, for the kids ;)

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by tuananh »

mbreese wrote: post #115
tuananh wrote: post #111

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did it again adding the last step (switching to other app), still there though - Lion 10.7.4

Worked for me... Mountain Lion 10.8.1. 1) Opened TextEdit 2) Started a document 3) Closed document (Cmd-W) 4) Switched to Chrome 5) *poof* TextEdit disappeared

exactly what i did. maybe it was changed in ML.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by vacri »

pfedor wrote: post #127
vacri wrote: post #125

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"Professionals can afford professional tools" is not much of a counterargument against "it's free". Not everyone is a professional, and in this case it's not supposed to unseat the professional product.

The comment you replied to says nothing about professionals, and there is some truth to the claim that compared with a camera/lens that is any good Photoshop's license won't hurt your wallet. Also, I've used Gimp a bunch and I've read the Gimp book from Apress and as far as I can tell there really is no such thing in Gimp as the non-destructive editing Nicole060 describes (assuming I understood the description correc…

I can't tell the price in the US, but here in Aus, Photoshop is $1168. That's around the price of a reasonable SLR body (and 3 times the price of entry level SLRs), so it's a bit over-the-top to characterise it as 'measly'. The only context this price being 'measly' belongs in is 'professional'.

edit: found US price is $699 (before tax, Aus is post-tax). That's still not 'measly' in any context other than professional.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by adamt »

27182818284 wrote: post #91
jfaucett wrote: post #3

I love it! GIMP is one of those tools that's "almost" a photohop killer, not quite yet, but this is a big step in the right direction. Good job GIMP team! As an asside, I think the plugin API and scheme joice is great and a blast to develope with I'd just like to see others jump on board. EDIT: I thought I'd add this since there seems to be a large discussion below as to the type of user for which GIMP is applicable.…

I've never met a 9-5 Photoshop user that thinks Gimp is anywhere near the quality of Photoshop. Perhaps more importantly, _none_ seem to think that it will ever, ever, be able to catch up let alone surpass PS.

A few years ago oracle DBAs used to (and some still so) dismiss MySQL and PostgreSQL saying they were toys that didn't scale. 10-15 years ago 'real men used Solaris' and Linux was a toy for hackers.

Any time any with any technology those that have mastered the 'premier' product, especially those that are paid because of their knowledge of it, will always think it superior.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by bad_user »

sbuk wrote: post #131
hnriot wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so far I have a 0% conversion rate that's not surprising given that the GIMP pales by comparison to photoshop. There's just no comparison. I think the high price of Adobe Creative suite has always been there because any professional uses it and buys it, but Adobe knows there are many illegal copies used by students and they just assume they one day will get jobs and then they will be paid users, meanwhile the illegal…

Photoshop is hardly a beacon of software done right. In my experience (been using Photoshop pretty much everyday since 1991) it has got considerably more bloated and unstable with each release, the exception perhaps being 5.5. The benefit that Photoshop has is familiarity and Adobe's pricing structure is that of an abusive monopoly - they know they can charge as much as they do because they have a monopoly. This mono…

Gimp has the ability to work with color channels. Try it out.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by microtonal »

DenisM wrote: post #80

Any thoughts on this new GIMP vis-a-vis Photoshop Elements? I don't mind paying <$100 for a decent graphics editor. My primary use case is tweaking screenshots, app icons, buttons, and the like for my iOS apps and the web site. I want to get in and out as quick as possible, so I can get back to my other work.

Photoshop Elements is a light-weight blend of Photoshop and Lightroom. It's more for managing photo collections, tweaking things like exposure and contrast, removing red eyes, etc.

If you want a sub-$100 Photoshop replacement, I'd go for Pixelmator. It's really affordable, and provides the functionality that most users need.

Re: GIMP is Now a Self-Contained Native App for Mac OS X

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Post by bad_user »

hnriot wrote: post #120
grannyg00se wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't behave typically on Windows 7 either. Clicking the window close button doesn't close the app, it closes the currently open document. Also, ALT+F4 doesn't close the app either, just the current document. This is in single-window mode where closing the window should close the app. Fortunately CTRL-Q does what it's supposed to. Oh, and great job GIMP folks. I love GIMP and recommend it often. I've even tried to…

so far I have a 0% conversion rate that's not surprising given that the GIMP pales by comparison to photoshop. There's just no comparison. I think the high price of Adobe Creative suite has always been there because any professional uses it and buys it, but Adobe knows there are many illegal copies used by students and they just assume they one day will get jobs and then they will be paid users, meanwhile the illegal…

Your comment is bullshit and lacks substance, the kind of opinion born out of ignorance, sorry to say it.

First of all, it is surprising because people put themselves at risk of fines or even jail by using unlicensed copies. If you don't like paying that much for software, then don't freaking use it and search for something cheaper. You don't freaking need all that functionality. Students and schools also get discounts. The many unlicensed copies out there are not used primarily by students. Also I worked for Adobe and I can tell you that they don't like piracy. That's one reason why they are moving towards a subscription-based model.

The difference between Gimp and Photoshop is that while Gimp gives you all the tools you need, it doesn't have an idiot mode, so it expects of you to know what you're doing.

A good example I can think of is Smart Sharpening. I don't know why the Gimp devs haven't implemented it. Maybe there's a patent on it or maybe they considered that it isn't worth it. Well, you can do it manually [1] ... it has the downside that it isn't something you can do in 3 clicks, so messing around to see how it looks is a little painful. On the other hand doing it manually makes you understand the process and allows you to have fine grained control, leading to better results, because truth be told, Photoshop has no way of knowing which edges are important in a photo and which aren't, so the results are not optimal.

This does scare beginners away and I wish that they implemented a nice wizard for what is standard functionality. On the other hand, it's actually quite easy to script such a wizard for Gimp in Python. So GIMP is designed for people that bend their tools to their will with a sharp inclination towards developers. It's not a good design because it prevents mainstream adoption, but for me it's like a breath of fresh air.

[1] http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Smart_Sharpening/

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