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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by arandomusername »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #125
arandomusername wrote: post #123

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Elon is not far right by any metric. Nick is. Nick isn't an extreme trump supporter, he even advocated for not voting for him in 2024. Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view? > is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet. Like what? > That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss…

> Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain > I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced. which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.

> i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain

Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners.

> which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.

And who decides what views are antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed? Is capitalism worthless greed? Trans can be considered harmful by some. Communism/Socialism is considered harmful by others. None of those should be banned.

To be specific, one view that gets you banned is talking about the overwhelming influence that "Israel" has over United States, media, news and politics/government.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

#132

Post by GuinansEyebrows »

arandomusername wrote: post #131
GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #125

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> Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain > I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced. which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.

> i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners. > which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them. And who decides what vie…

> Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners.

i'm finding it hard not to respond glibly here. are you familiar with the history of slavery in america? or, perhaps, the history of apartheid in south africa? the point you're trying to make here does not stand.

> Is capitalism worthless greed?

i strongly believe so, so write me off now i guess

> Trans can be considered harmful by some

that's bait, but fine. by whom? to whom? don't bring up vague hypotheticals if you're not willing to defend their conclusions.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by arandomusername »

ceejayoz wrote: post #79
arandomusername wrote: post #47

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Ah yeah, because Nazis were big on importing millions of Indian workers. What views of him are actually close to Nazis? Dude loves jews even

The Nazis loved imported labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rul... The main obstacle to bringing in Indian workers was the fact that the Brits controlled India and were unlikely to share.

They worked in camps and did not participate in German society.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by [deleted] »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #84
viraptor wrote: post #42

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Obviously that goes beyond quality control, but it's also interesting that they don't have even a basic sanity checking harness before releases. Like a few basic questions checking both the restrictions and basic functionality. Even with their yolo approach otherwise, I'm really surprised they don't have this covered at some point of the pipeline.

Yes. Although I'm getting bombed for my statement, it seems clear to me that its behavior took X by surprise. We all know that Musk wants to make Grok less "woke", but despite the whole salute controversy (which I think is way over played, even if I think Musk is a total chud), I don't think Musk wanted X to be sued to oblivion for publishing graphic rape-fantasies against particular Twitter users (Will Stancil).

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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by arandomusername »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #132
arandomusername wrote: post #131

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> i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners. > which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them. And who decides what vie…

> Then you have to make a very strong case of him being racist. Racists don't usually want to flood their country with foreigners. i'm finding it hard not to respond glibly here. are you familiar with the history of slavery in america? or, perhaps, the history of apartheid in south africa? the point you're trying to make here does not stand. > Is capitalism worthless greed? i strongly believe so, so write me off now…

How are you comparing H1-B visas to slavery? Completely dishonest comparing work visas to forced slavery.

> i strongly believe so, so write me off now i guess

So do you see now why free speech is important, and that censoring content under vague labels like "harmful" or "worthless greed" isn't actually good, since a pro capitalist government can consider your statements as such?

> that's bait, but fine. by whom? to whom? don't bring up vague hypotheticals if you're not willing to defend their conclusions.

Bait how? Current US administration considers it harmful. Conservatives consider it harmful. The average person few decades considered it harmful.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by const_cast »

ytpete wrote: post #114
ujkhsjkdhf234 wrote: post #104

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All topics that negatively talk about Trump or Elon get flagged. I'll let you come to a conclusion as to why.

I think it's totally reasonable to flag posts about politics that don't connect to tech much (including non-tech stories about Elon/DOGE). But then there are submissions like this one that are clearly tech-related: prominent AI alignment issues have to be topical here on HN. Or this one I recently submitted which was at the time new breaking revelations about the TikTok ban: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44461…

When technocrats become cornerstones of American democracy I think the "well it's political" arguments sort of dissolve. Yes, it is political, but it's also technical. Technology, both historically and presently, has been used for just about every political goal. What is War but not a demonstration of technology?

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by ceejayoz »

arandomusername wrote: post #134
ceejayoz wrote: post #79

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The Nazis loved imported labor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rul... The main obstacle to bringing in Indian workers was the fact that the Brits controlled India and were unlikely to share.

They worked in camps and did not participate in German society.

That sounds not too far off how I’ve heard H1B holders describe their situation.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by root_axis »

arandomusername wrote: post #130
root_axis wrote: post #126

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> Elon is not far right by any metric. He's obviously far right and everyone knows this, it's not worth my time to argue the point. Funny coming from someone throwing out insults like "delusional". > Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view? The two do not contradict each other. We're on HN, everyone understands the financial dynamics that under…

Elon is not far right. It's just a label thrown at people as an attempt to invalidate their views rather than confronting the views themselves. Ah yeah, he's so racist that he wants millions of foreigners in his country. It makes absolute no sense. You also haven't even provided any reasoning for him being racist. > Google "you have said the actual truth" for one That one is actual truth btw. But of course, in true "…

Believe what you like - Elon's right-wing political agenda is well documented and well known, even among the right wing.

It's similar regarding his endorsing antisemitism and racism. However, I understand that people on the right don't believe anything is racist or antisemitic unless it's something the Democrats are doing or saying, so I can at least accept that as the standard talking point.

It's not surprising that you also believe what is unequivocally a Nazi salute is "my heart goes out to you". I know you don't agree, but there's no discussion to be had about what is clearly apparent to the naked eye.

As far as the censorship goes, just google something like "elon musk silences critics" for many examples. You can save yourself the time to explain why it's all fake news and lies, I get it, but even some right-wingers have faced censorship from Elon, funny how even they suddenly agree with all the crazy liars when the leopard bites their face.

Anyway, we're operating in a fundamentally different reality. No point in discussing this further, but feel free to reply and I will read it. Have a great day.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

bigyabai wrote: post #119
anuramat wrote: post #74

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What's your point, we should all wait until an actual genocide is a possibility, before we even acknowledge that a literal purpose-built nazi AI is concerning ? Even if it had nothing autonomous to it, how can "programmatic antisemitism funded by a nazi salute billionaire" ever sound ok? Also, since when is a concussion just a minor inconvenience you can brush off?

My point is that robots will not cause a genocide. The fact that we are talking about this instead of anything salient to hackers or news is evidence that we're sufficiently outraged by it. Our businesses have protocols for handling robots that present harms to their workers, our governments have contingency plans to prevent serious adversaries from attaining real power. What, if anything, is a serious depiction of h…

> our governments have contingency plans to prevent serious adversaries from attaining real power

What makes you think the current usa government would view violent, racist, genocidal people or AI or robots as adversaries rather than allies? That is a super bold assumption, given:

Only a few weeks ago, the leader of that government was allied with elmu, the exact person responsible for the content this article describes;

Only a few weeks before that, the leader of that government employed elmu to execute on a signature policy effort (DOGE);

The alliance weakened not because of any disagreement on violence, racism, or genocide, but because they disagreed on which of them should benefit more from government handouts in the most recent budget.

> I'm asking you to explain how a functional government would allow humanoid or non-humanoid robots to possess enough sapience to interact with humans in public.

Putting aside whether the government in question is indeed "functional", which seems like an open subjective question:

A government that embraces violent racists who employ genocidal rhetoric, would find nearly irresistible the prospect of violent, racist, genocidal AI and robots that help track and eliminate political adversaries.

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