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Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by dathinab »

KoolKat23 wrote: post #40
marapuru wrote: post #31

Apparently it's a common business practice. Spotify (even though I can't find any proof) seems to have build their software and business on pirated music. There is some more in this Article [0]. https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... Funky quote: > Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in…

There's plenty of startups gone legitimate. Society underestimates the chasm that exists between an idea and raising sufficient capital to act on those ideas. Plenty of people have ideas. We only really see those that successfully cross it. Small things EULA breaches, consumer licenses being used commercially for example.

but it's not some small things

but systematic wide spread big things and often many of them, giving US giant a unfair combative advantage

and don't think if you are a EU company you can do the same in the US, nop nop

but naturally the US insist that US companies can do that in the EU and complain every time a US company is fined for not complying for EU law

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by Workaccount2 »

marapuru wrote: post #31

Apparently it's a common business practice. Spotify (even though I can't find any proof) seems to have build their software and business on pirated music. There is some more in this Article [0]. https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... Funky quote: > Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in…

The common meme is that megacorps are shamelessly criminalistic organizations that get away with doing anything they can to maximize profits, while true in some regard, totally pales in comparison to the illegal things small businesses and start-ups do.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by Workaccount2 »

ffsm8 wrote: post #127
pyman wrote: post #7

These are the people shaping the future of AI? What happened to all the ethical values they love to preach about? We've held China accountable for counterfeiting products for decades and regulated their exports. So why should Anthropic be allowed to export their products and services after engaging in the same illegal activity?

> We've held China accountable for counterfeiting products for decades and regulated their exports We have? Are we from different multi-verses? The one I've lived in to date has not done anything against Chinese counterfeits beyond occasionally seizing counterfeit goods during import. But that's merely occasionally enforcing local counterfeit law, a far cry from punishing the entity producing it. As a matter of fact,…

I was gonna say, the enforcement is so weak that it's not even really worth it to pursue consumer hardware here in the US. Make product that is a hit, patent it, and still 1 month later IYTUOP will be selling an identical copy for 1/3rd the price on Amazon.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by dathinab »

pyman wrote: post #2

Anthropic's cofounder, Ben Mann, downloaded million copies of books from Library Genesis in 2021, fully aware that the material was pirated. Stealing is stealing. Let's stop with the double standards.

stealing with the intent to gain a unfair marked advantage so that you can effectively kill any ethically legally correctly acting company in a way which is very likely going to hurt many authors through the products you create is far worse then just stealing for personal use

that isn't "just" stealing, it's organized crime

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by Workaccount2 »

badmintonbaseba wrote: post #117
mensetmanusman wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both a human and a machine learn from it. You can design an LLM that doesn’t spit back the entire text after annealing. It just learns the essence like a human.

Morally maybe, but AFAIK machines "learning" and creating creative works on their own is not recognized legally, at least certainly not the same way as for people.

>AFAIK machines "learning" and creating creative works on their own is not recognized legally

Did you read the article? The judge literally just legally recognized it.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by nickpsecurity »

Buying, scanning, and discarding was in my proposal to train under copyright restrictions.

You are often allowed to nake a digital copy of a physical work you bought. There are tons of used, physical works thay would be good for training LLM's. They'd also be good for training OCR which could do many things, including improve book scanning for training.

This could be reduced to a single act of book destruction per copyrighted work or made unnecessary if copyright law allowed us to share others' works digitally with their licensed customers. Ex: people who own a physical copy or a license to one. Obviously, the implementation could get complex but we wouldn't have to destroy books very often.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by Workaccount2 »

mrcwinn wrote: post #113
originalvichy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Profiting from piracy is a whole other level beyond just pirating a book.

> At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Easy for the pirate to say. Artists might argue their intent was to trade compensation for one's personal enjoyment of the work.

The gut punch of being a photographer selling your work on display, someone walks by and lines up their phone to take a perfect picture of your photograph, and then exclaims to you "Your work is beautiful! I can't wait to print this out and put it on my wall!"

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by jobs_throwaway »

mrcwinn wrote: post #113
originalvichy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Profiting from piracy is a whole other level beyond just pirating a book.

> At least most pirates just consume for personal use. Easy for the pirate to say. Artists might argue their intent was to trade compensation for one's personal enjoyment of the work.

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