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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Mtinie »

rf15 wrote: post #110
zug_zug wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting because there are two diametrically opposed ways to interpret what you said One is - everybody thinks they have disorders, so just ignore that feeling it'll mess with you. The other is - everybody thinks they have minor version of disorders, because we all do, we live on continuums, and therefore we should probably all think about it more

there's a third: everyone wants to feel special and also takes any excuse to not have to work on their flawed habits

Alternatively, society is broken.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by stevenAthompson »

typewithrhythm wrote: post #99
deanCommie wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except they weren't really "support systems" i mean they were, if you got lucky. If you were neurotypical; if you bought in to the local religious sect's particular flavour and embraced it wholeheartedly; if you followed the other local cults of sports fandoms; if you were lucky enough to either have family without their own trauma that didn't take it out on you OR decided to repress it in exactly the same way that t…

There is substantially more going on than "tolerance vs intolerance". We have a huge influx not just because of changing diagnosis standards, but also because the financial benefit for getting a diagnosis has also expanded. The views of people you are trying to label as fascist are more accurately described as individualism vs welfare state.

What financial benefit would a diagnosis have?

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Spivak »

Yossarrian22 wrote: post #117
cheschire wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it’s a 1 or a 0? The kid is either full autistic or just a socially maladjusted asshole? No room for a middle ground with you then?

It’s a 1 if it goes above 0.6

You just invented 0,1 again but gave a weird label to the 1.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by [deleted] »

orn688 wrote: post #96
zug_zug wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting because there are two diametrically opposed ways to interpret what you said One is - everybody thinks they have disorders, so just ignore that feeling it'll mess with you. The other is - everybody thinks they have minor version of disorders, because we all do, we live on continuums, and therefore we should probably all think about it more

In my experience the truth is somewhere in the middle. It's helpful to neither completely ignore nor ruminate over one's traits, but just _be aware_ of them. It's been very helpful for me to pay attention to and think about how my own personality compares to others'. For example, I tend to be a people-pleaser, but I used to think that everyone was just as people-pleasing as me, which only reinforced the people-pleasi…

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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Mtinie »

geerlingguy wrote: post #109
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but are you arguing that autistic folks can’t be part of a community, farm, or build a family?

I saw it as arguing that people with autism, ADHD, etc wouldn't be ignored, beaten, or killed, as seemed to be the argument in the parent comment?

One anecdotal observation does not fully tell the story.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Mtinie »

typewithrhythm wrote: post #99
deanCommie wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except they weren't really "support systems" i mean they were, if you got lucky. If you were neurotypical; if you bought in to the local religious sect's particular flavour and embraced it wholeheartedly; if you followed the other local cults of sports fandoms; if you were lucky enough to either have family without their own trauma that didn't take it out on you OR decided to repress it in exactly the same way that t…

There is substantially more going on than "tolerance vs intolerance". We have a huge influx not just because of changing diagnosis standards, but also because the financial benefit for getting a diagnosis has also expanded. The views of people you are trying to label as fascist are more accurately described as individualism vs welfare state.

I can assure you that from my singular anecdotal experience that a diagnosis does not imbue economic and financial benefit.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by bigDinosaur »

iambateman wrote: post #14

As a child, my dad’s brother fell out of a bunk bed and got a traumatic brain injury that would kill him 15 years later. My dad experienced real trauma but was told to bottle it up. After 30 years, he finally went to counseling and it was transformational for him. By contrast, I had some mean fifth grade classmates who still live in my head in uncomfortable social situations… Did my dad have trauma and need to put a…

How does a TBI kill someone 15 years later? Do you mean that it caused a suicide or was it a physiological sequela?

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by theusus »

hresvelgr wrote: post #53

The lovable aphorisms we had for people with character quirks were largely from our original support systems. What no one is talking about is the reason therapy-talk has become so pervasive is because all those support systems: family, friends, and local communities (religious or otherwise), have all degraded so severely for most that therapy is the only option for reaching out and getting help.

> is because all those support systems: family, friends, and local communities (religious or otherwise), have all degraded so severely.

I disagree! There was never a good support system at all. We used to just man up and live with it. Now that stress is reaching it's new heights. We can't cope with it.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by bravetraveler »

xivzgrev wrote: post #92

We know more now. We can better tease out causes of symptoms. For example, generosity is not the same as people pleasing. They can look the same, but one is born of love and one is born of fear. We generally want to help people experience more love and less suffering. Give, not to please people, but to please yourself.

Believe to know more. As someone who has managed to live comfortably in the margins... I have never been more miserable than recently. What changed? This unsolicited assistance.

I was a perfectly fine and productive remote worker before the pandemic. Now, every bit of energy I have goes towards "no, really, I'm alright" and the leagues of hustlers.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #101
parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

> - if you give people the chance to place a label on themselves to give a name/form to a problem, they’ll take it. This one is widespread among the young people I’ve worked with recently. It’s remarkable how I can identify the current TikTok self diagnosis trends without ever watching TikTok. There’s a widespread belief that once you put a label on a problem, other people are not allowed to criticize you for it. Man…

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